If this Jackie is a 4, is mine a 5?

[irv]

Just wondering and trying to figure out if I should get mine graded?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-J...p2047675.l2557

[GasHouseGang]

It could get a five, but grading is so subjective that it's really hard to guess. I would get it graded just to protect it from handling and it would make it easier to sell or trade if you ever want to go that route.

[the 'stache]

That Robinson was graded a while ago; no PSA hologram. Since the changes to the slab/flip, PSA has, in my opinion, started grading vintage more strictly. What was a 5 before now is likely a 4.

Your card is nice, and I would get it graded, regardless (your Mantle and Mays, too, if you haven't already). Slab the cards to get them protected, and for insurance purposes.

[1952boyntoncollector]

There was a really nice 3 that sold on ebay a few days ago thats better than that 4 in the link you provided and the 3 sold for around 1500.

I would just send it in, but i think its probaby going to be a 3/4.

[pokerplyr80]

Yours looks like a 4 to me, but you never know. It is nicer than the ebay one in your link. But as others said grading is subjective and standards appear tougher now. I wouldn't be surprised by anything in the 3-5 range. Still worth submitting in that range. I would send it in with the Mays and Mantle soon if they were my cards.

[Neal]

The 1952 Topps Robinson is an iconic, visually appealing card. I would say your card would grade anywhere from a PSA 3-4, maybe 4.5, and it would be money well spent.

You could list it here and it would be gone inside of a few hours.

Nice card - get it slabbed!

[Johnny630]

Very nice card Dale. I'd send off to PSA and hold it for at lest a couple years. You will never go wrong with this card.

[KCRfan1]

Nice card, but I'm in with everyone else at a solid 4.

[irv]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

That Robinson was graded a while ago; no PSA hologram. Since the changes to the slab/flip, PSA has, in my opinion, started grading vintage more strictly. What was a 5 before now is likely a 4.

Your card is nice, and I would get it graded, regardless (your Mantle and Mays, too, if you haven't already). Slab the cards to get them protected, and for insurance purposes.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There was a really nice 3 that sold on ebay a few days ago thats better than that 4 in the link you provided and the 3 sold for around 1500.

I would just send it in, but i think its probaby going to be a 3/4.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yours looks like a 4 to me, but you never know. It is nicer than the ebay one in your link. But as others said grading is subjective and standards appear tougher now. I wouldn't be surprised by anything in the 3-5 range. Still worth submitting in that range. I would send it in with the Mays and Mantle soon if they were my cards.

Originally Posted by Neal

The 1952 Topps Robinson is an iconic, visually appealing card. I would say your card would grade anywhere from a PSA 3-4, maybe 4.5, and it would be money well spent.

You could list it here and it would be gone inside of a few hours.

Nice card - get it slabbed!

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Very nice card Dale. I'd send off to PSA and hold it for at lest a couple years. You will never go wrong with this card.

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Nice card, but I'm in with everyone else at a solid 4.

Thanks guys!

In my haste, after I was finally able to get my pics looking like the actual cards in hand (fussy scanner I own!) and being happy with how my Jackie and other cards turned out, I began to compare them with other slabbed cards I seen and immediately thought my Jackie was nicer than that PSA 4 I posted, completely not realizing/recognizing it was an older graded slab.

I do agree with everyone's opinion as I have also noticed, and have mentioned more than a few times, that grading is now tougher than what it use to be.

As far as sending it in, it still makes me nervous thinking about it (Shipping, duty, tx's, the current CDN exchange rate and of course it/them getting lost in the mail) but I have been procrastinating/talking about it long enough that I either need to sh*t or get off the pot thinking about it.

With the current craze going on with cards, I assume all the grading companies are crazy busy but I was also wondering if there is a lull at times, throughout the year, that they aren't quite so busy?

[glynparson]

You aren't getting a 5 on that card. Maybe if you had submitted it in 1995 but not anymore. Standards are now to tough to give your card a 5. Id say 3.5 to 4. The one graded would be a 3 today at best.

[KCRfan1]

You might be able to piggyback with someone else who sends in a lot of cards to PSA for grading.

This approach may help you in a variety of ways..........

[wilkiebaby11]

I agree with everyone. I think you've got yourself a nice PSA 4 and possibly a 3.5 if there's a hairline wrinkle or something that you missed.

I would grade it mostly for the purpose of making sure that it stays a VGEX card. And yea, do it for insurance purposes, which is always a plus.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glynparson

You aren't getting a 5 on that card. Maybe if you had submitted it in 1995 but not anymore. Standards are now to tough to give your card a 5. Id say 3.5 to 4. The one graded would be a 3 today at best.

i always find it interesting when people predict a half grade....half grades occur what around 10% or less ( currently 162 psa 3 and 21 psa 3.5s )compared to the base grade. Half grades are so rare to get i never would predict a half grade. I would just say 3-4 range instead of 3.5-4

[glynparson]

id be shocked if a straight 3 and at lower grades half points are far easier to guess from my experience than high half grades. I submit around 10,000 cards a year i am pretty comfortable with my guesses.

[irv]

Looking at some current 52 Topps for sale at PWCC, I would also say my card is likely a 3-4 tops, with a slight lean towards the 3.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glynparson

id be shocked if a straight 3 and at lower grades half points are far easier to guess from my experience than high half grades. I submit around 10,000 cards a year i am pretty comfortable with my guesses.

just saying theres a 10% chance basically of any grade being a half grade compared to the full grade looking at the POP reports (including the PSA 3 Jackie at issue), yes i know half grades havent been around forever.

Still, if someone told me im going to get a 5.5 to a 6 for example, that really doesnt leave margin for error if the card gets graded a 5. i would just say 5-6 to avoid a disappointment from the submitter to be on the safe side even if i have experience submitting a million cards giving the POP reports of how rare half grades are

[JustinD]

With the PSA grading basically all over the map on the lower grades I would guess a 3-4, but hell you never know submit enough times and you may get higher.

No matter what, it is a wise idea to slab all of your top cards for insurance reasons like Bill mentioned as it does help solidify a comparable value for adjusters who might be all over the map.

It's likely that the Mantle with the large amount of paper loss will only get an "auth" grade, but that is better than arguing with an unknowing adjuster that it is legit and valuable after a disaster. After a fire or flood, the last thing anyone needs is additional frustration.

[the 'stache]

You also have to consider that population reports aren't accurate gauges of what's happening with grading now. They are cumulative. PSA has been grading cards for quite a while now, and half grades are a relatively new phenomenon. Of course there are going to be more cards with full point grades.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

just saying theres a 10% chance basically of any grade being a half grade compared to the full grade looking at the POP reports (including the PSA 3 Jackie at issue), yes i know half grades havent been around forever.

Still, if someone told me im going to get a 5.5 to a 6 for example, that really doesnt leave margin for error if the card gets graded a 5. i would just say 5-6 to avoid a disappointment from the submitter to be on the safe side even if i have experience submitting a million cards giving the POP reports of how rare half grades are

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

You also have to consider that population reports aren't accurate gauges of what's happening with grading now. They are cumulative. PSA has been grading cards for quite a while now, and half grades are a relatively new phenomenon. Of course there are going to be more cards with full point grades.

Yes i stated that already in my opinion that i know half grades have not been around forever, however people have resubmitted cards from the pre-half grade times with the hope of a better grade including a half grade so it is not like every card graded before the half grades started never get the opportunity for a regrade (and then they would change the POP report on those)

Just check out the POP reports...its normaly 10% half grade versus full grades, you also figure only the best examples are re-submitted with the hope of the bump to the half grade better


Plus just check what happened in 2014 which i assume was after half grades were allowed for ALL Baseball cards graded by PSA

http://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball-cards/2014/118266

PSA 8 2009
PSA 8.5 301

PSA 7 389
PSA 7.5 39

PSA 6 176
PSA 6.5 11

PSA 5 71
PSA 5.5 2 !!!!!

The half grades look about the same representation in 2014 as they do in 1952 Topps, so it does appear whether its pre-half grade times or post, its extremely hard to predict half grades whn its only going to happen around 10 percent of the time. I would rather give someone a range of 3-4 than 3.5-4 given all of the POP stats..

[irv]

Originally Posted by JustinD

With the PSA grading basically all over the map on the lower grades I would guess a 3-4, but hell you never know submit enough times and you may get higher.

No matter what, it is a wise idea to slab all of your top cards for insurance reasons like Bill mentioned as it does help solidify a comparable value for adjusters who might be all over the map.

It's likely that the Mantle with the large amount of paper loss will only get an "auth" grade, but that is better than arguing with an unknowing adjuster that it is legit and valuable after a disaster. After a fire or flood, the last thing anyone needs is additional frustration.

Thanks, Justin!

Not sure I'll slab all of my cards but it has been suggested before that I should definitely get my all high number/high value cards slabbed, which is good advice based on what I have learned here since joining.

My personal choice to get this done is to actually take a trip/vacation and have then done during that time or while I wait so to speak.

I think this is best as it will alleviate a lot of the concerns/costs I have with shipping, money, getting lost in the mail etc.

Just don't know when the time will come, but it is something I am considering this coming winter.