Aaron Judge the new Mickey Mantle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Trout's better than Mantle. Harper isn't as good as Mantle, nor will Judge be.

Trout has been sensational his first few years. Harper has been inconsistent, but if (big if) he can stay healthy and tame his tendency to get impatient (which emerged again last year), I think long term he could be the equal of Trout. Judge, I remain skeptical.

Keep in mind Harper is only 24 and already has close to 150 HR.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trout has been sensational his first few years. Harper has been inconsistent, but if (big if) he can stay healthy and tame his tendency to get impatient (which emerged again last year), I think long term he could be the equal of Trout. Judge, I remain skeptical.

Keep in mind Harper is only 24 and already has close to 150 HR.

The Harper Valley PTSD

[bn2cardz]

For whatever reason Aaron Judge shows a road/home split that typically is only seen in Colorado players. He hits long home runs so it shouldn't be due to fence length. It appears he gets a charge from the home crowd.

2017 stats
Home:42 games: 151ab / 21hr / .377ba/ .489obp/ .834slg
Away:49 games: 176ab /9hr/ .256ba/.385obp/.483slg

This is worrisome enough that I wouldn't compare him to any greats. His home stats are crazy impressive, but those road stats show that he has some issues even if it is just his mental game.

Edit to add:
This trend also showed up in his limited 2016 run:
2016
Home: 16 games / 47ab / 3 hr/ .255ba/.340obp/.489slg
Away:11 games / 37ab/ 1 hr/ .081ba/.167obp/.162slg

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trout has been sensational his first few years. Harper has been inconsistent, but if (big if) he can stay healthy and tame his tendency to get impatient (which emerged again last year), I think long term he could be the equal of Trout. Judge, I remain skeptical.

Keep in mind Harper is only 24 and already has close to 150 HR.

i once believe this, but i don't think this is the case going forward. trout's all-around game is better, and i thought harper was the more offensively gifted player but trout makes crazy adjustments every year so i don't even think that's the case anymore.

i'm not going to comment on judge, let's see him finish one mlb season first and how he adjusts next year. trout is like lebron at this point, people keep trying to elevate players over him and the new flavor of the month (cabrera, harper, bryant, judge etc) but the king stays the king.

[clydepepper]

Aaron Judge has had an outstanding first HALF of ONE season...nothing more.

All this has been seen before...many times to varying degrees.

MLB stardom is not achieved without a lot of adjustments by both hitter and the pitchers he faces.

As of this date, the pitchers have the edge since the All-Star break. The ball is now in Judge's court...no pun intended.

Maybe Clint Frazier will wind up being even better than Judge...only time will tell.

Neither have reached the Bryce Harper level much less the Mike Trout level.

Time will tell.


But, NOBODY will have the impact on the hobby that Mantle did and still has.


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[packs]

I remember people saying Strasburg was a bust because he's not Sandy Koufax. Strasburg is a 3 time all star, silver slugger winner, and has a career K rate over 10 per 9 innings. I'd say that's pretty good but other people might say it's not good enough.

Judge will certainly win the ROY award this year and he's a starting all star. That's pretty good. Maybe he won't be a HOFer, but if he hits 30 homers a year for the next 4 or 5 seasons I'll be thrilled.

[Marchillo]

I certainly don't think Judge is the next Mantle. This post was to simply point out the ridiculous $175k asking price for his baseball card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I remember people saying Strasburg was a bust because he's not Sandy Koufax. Strasburg is a 3 time all star, silver slugger winner, and has a career K rate over 10 per 9 innings. I'd say that's pretty good but other people might say it's not good enough.

Judge will certainly win the ROY award this year and he's a starting all star. That's pretty good. Maybe he won't be a HOFer, but if he hits 30 homers a year for the next 4 or 5 seasons I'll be thrilled.

Strasburg had unlimited potential when he came up -- a 100 MPH fastball that moved and that he could spot, and a wicked breaking ball. Plus the maturity of a 30 year old on the mound. He was that once or twice in a generation pitcher and then some. Yes, he is still good, but he is a ghost of who he could have been had he not blown his elbow out IMO.

[pokerplyr80]

It may be too early to call him the next Mantle, but the way the ball flies off his bat is amazing. I have spent more time watching Yankees games in the last couple of weeks than I've watched baseball in the last few years. It's been fun getting into the modern game again.

Check out this article. The Marlins consulted NASA engineers to build a roof that could not be hit. He hit it twice.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/07/...asa-equations/

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It may be too early to call him the next Mantle, but the way the ball flies off his bat is amazing. I have spent more time watching Yankees games in the last couple of weeks than I've watched baseball in the last few years. It's been fun getting into the modern game again.

Check out this article. The Marlins consulted NASA engineers to build a roof that could not be hit. He hit it twice.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/07/...asa-equations/

It makes you wonder if Mantle had been 6"8" and 285 lbs what he might could have done hitting a baseball... Let's pump the brakes a bit on Judge, way to early. As it was, Mantle was 5'11" 180 lbs and was the fastest runner in baseball before he blew out his knee, and could hit a baseball 500 feet....