Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Seller is Joe DiMaggio Estate, www.memorabiliacenter.com, although they have stated the following, "...Another great signed bb at a great price being sold thru us on consignment, that once was in the Barry Halper collection." The consignment is on behalf of a former customer. Both balls are from the same person. I don't know who is behind the curtain per se, although perhaps others on this forum might know.

According to your site reference, R&R Enterprises is the seller of these balls (that aren't even on the site)....

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

According to your site reference, R&R Enterprises is the seller of these balls (that aren't even on the site)....

In a thousand years, RR would never be selling those baseballs.
Do not confuse R&R from NC with RR from NH.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

In a thousand years, RR would never be selling those baseballs.
Do not confuse R&R from NC with RR from NH.

Hey Richard,
I know the confusion and the maliciousness behind them registering that way, but that's why I included the name, address (North Carolina), and the email address that appears on that site.

[RichardSimon]

Just take a look at the Mantle and Dimaggio 4x6 photos on that website.

[VAYankee]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Just take a look at the Mantle and Dimaggio 4x6 photos on that website.

Perhaps I'm being really thick, meaning those are legit or those are fake? Also what's the diff between R&R in NC and R&R in NH? Don't know the one in NH at all.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Perhaps I'm being really thick, meaning those are legit or those are fake? Also what's the diff between R&R in NC and R&R in NH? Don't know the one in NH at all.

It is not R&R in NH. It is RR, a totally different entity, and well established long before R&R in NC.
And in my opinion the photos I referenced originated in Florida where, in my opinion, a major forgery mill is operating.

[VAYankee]

So am I to believe the stuff being sold through Joe DiMaggio Estate, the R&R entity in NC, is fake? I was offered another Gehrig ball by them in December. I thought it looked iffy, but they said it had a PSA/DNA cert. it didn't have the full cert, but one of the quickie opinions. Went back-and-forth on the ball, they finally agreed to send it in to PSA for a full cert (after telling me they were going to back out of the deal and put it up for auction). This week I learned they turned around and sold it to someone else who was willing to buy it as-is, i.e. no full cert. I'm not home now but can post picture of that ball later.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

So am I to believe the stuff being sold through Joe DiMaggio Estate, the R&R entity in NC, is fake? I was offered another Gehrig ball by them in December. I thought it looked iffy, but they said it had a PSA/DNA cert. it didn't have the full cert, but one of the quickie opinions. Went back-and-forth on the ball, they finally agreed to send it in to PSA for a full cert (after telling me they were going to back out of the deal and put it up for auction). This week I learned they turned around and sold it to someone else who was willing to buy it as-is, i.e. no full cert. I'm not home now but can post picture of that ball later.

I think you are going to end up buying a forgery. Hopefully not, but they seem to be swaying you more than the people here.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

So am I to believe the stuff being sold through Joe DiMaggio Estate, the R&R entity in NC, is fake? I was offered another Gehrig ball by them in December. I thought it looked iffy, but they said it had a PSA/DNA cert. it didn't have the full cert, but one of the quickie opinions. Went back-and-forth on the ball, they finally agreed to send it in to PSA for a full cert (after telling me they were going to back out of the deal and put it up for auction). This week I learned they turned around and sold it to someone else who was willing to buy it as-is, i.e. no full cert. I'm not home now but can post picture of that ball later.

My advice would be to look through the myriad of Ruth or Gehrig autograph threads on this site. There has been a lot of discussion about what looks good and what does not and why. You will learn a lot more in less time by doing this.

Also, I would forget about buying anything like this with that kind of money until you have the ability to identify good from bad on your own, without the help of a PSA/DNA or JSA. Obviously it is your money so you can do as you wish. I just can't imagine buying something for that much with only someone else's opinion being the difference between a wonderful piece/nice investment and a $5 baseball with writing on it.

Tom C

[VAYankee]

They were offered to me (and others) via email. Yes, they are not in the site. I never said they were on the site. I honestly don't know why you're attacking me in this. I'm merely trying to figure out whether these balls are legit or not, clearly they are not, and in the process better educate myself on what I should look out for when buying something like a Ruth or Gehrig ball.