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Old 06-09-2013, 08:57 PM
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Default Is that really Bill Abstein on the T206 card?
I have wondered about this awhile, and finally decided to throw it out there. When you compare to photos of Abstein on C46 and M101-2, the T206 image doesn't really look like the same guy. Any thoughts? If not Abstein, any idea who it might be?
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:18 PM
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I have wondered about this awhile, and finally decided to throw it out there. When you compare to photos of Abstein on C46 and M101-2, the T206 image doesn't really look like the same guy. Any thoughts? If not Abstein, any idea who it might be?
Yes, its the same player. The C46 is the best representation. T206s don't really capture the details of players' faces that well. Abstein's face looks bloated on the T206.
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You may be onto something there as that doesnt look anything like Bill Abstein...


Of all the 1909 Pirates imo the guy looks most similar to Lefty Leifield (minus his characteristic dimple chin)
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I think abbattchio matches. His 205 is similar in the face also
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That's what I was thinking too. Looks more like Leifield than Abstein.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:00 AM
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I definetly do not think its abstein... Looks more like abbaticchio.
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Also, take a look at this team photo with a squared up shot of abstein. There's no way that t206 image is for him.
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I think abbattchio matches. His 205 is similar in the face also
You have a point... His T205 card. Same vertical nose, chin, ears line up correctly, eyes are closer together.
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I don't know. I suppose we could take a vote, but I might find myself absteining.
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i don't know. I suppose we could take a vote, but i might find myself absteining.
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Board member bmarlowe1 determined a few years ago it's most likely Howie Camnitz.

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One of our members here was doing some research on this about a year ago and he came up with another possibility, maybe he will chime in. He asked me not to say anything back then, so I'll wait to see if he pops in to this thread
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Looks a bit like "Shoeless" Joe Jackson . . .
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One of our members here was doing some research on this about a year ago and he came up with another possibility, maybe he will chime in. He asked me not to say anything back then, so I'll wait to see if he pops in to this thread
Let me guess.... It's Wagner arm at side pose right

Tim the pic of Camnitz as well as his 205 shows his face is skinnier than the Abstein card. Was Camnitz heavier that yr?
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Let me guess.... It's Wagner arm at side pose right

Tim the pic of Camnitz as well as his 205 shows his face is skinnier than the Abstein card. Was Camnitz heavier that yr?
Apparently the board member I was referring to was also posting at the same time as me, so there is your answer
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I've always been entertained by the facial expression and position of the right hand on his T201....
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I've always been entertained by the facial expression and position of the right hand on his T201....
Oh the fun we could have with Photoshop on this one!
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As Tim says, I looked at this for him a few years ago. It is highly likely to be Camnitz.

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You'd think he could Abstein at least until the artist was finished.

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