New Poll: Which Active Players are 'Shoe-in' HOFers?

[packs]

I think Beltre gets in but I think he has to wait just like Piazza and Bagwell did, for the same reasons.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

I think Beltre gets in but I think he has to wait just like Piazza and Bagwell did, for the same reasons.

As an Astros & Bagwell fan, I believe he used. I was surprised that he got in so quickly. I figured he eventually would, but I thought he would have a longer wait.

Here's an interesting article on Bagwell.

http://www.baseballevolution.com/ash...onspiracy.html

[packs]

I kind of wish this poll had different players in it, with the exception of Beltre. His career is interesting to discuss but I don't think many people will be voting against Ichiro. I'm wondering how people feel about Joe Mauer, Chase Utley or Michael Young. It's more fun to talk about the fringe guys.

[conor912]

A shoe-in can only be identified post-prime. The first three are in. Beltre's on the fence. Kershaw needs another 3+ years of prime to enter the discussion.

[nat]

Of course those guys all make it. I'll second packs' suggestion. The Joe Mauer question is much more interesting.

Also:

Joey Votto
C.C. Sabathia
Jose Altuve
Zach Greinke

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by nat

Of course those guys all make it. I'll second packs' suggestion. The Joe Mauer question is much more interesting.

Also:

Joey Votto
C.C. Sabathia
Jose Altuve
Zach Greinke

Sabathia will be an interesting case, especially if he gets to 3,000 strikeouts, which he could do in 2018.

Steve

[RaidonCollects]

I think they all could get in if they retired today. Additionally, Trout, Cano, Votto and Verlander are all 2-3 good years off being HOF locks IMO.

Owen

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by nat

Of course those guys all make it. I'll second packs' suggestion. The Joe Mauer question is much more interesting.

Also:

Joey Votto
C.C. Sabathia
Jose Altuve
Zach Greinke

of that list, probably only Votto right now. CC had too big of fall and Greinke just hasn't been good enough for long enough yet. Altuve is far too young to tell, but if he maintains he will be a shoe in too.

[packs]

How do people feel about King Felix? I once thought he was a lock but I'm not sure what he'd have to do to convince me again. I think without a second CY he's a long way away and on the wrong side of his career, even if he's only 31.

[the 'stache]

Jose Altuve?

He's a great player, don't get me wrong. But he's played a little over six seasons. Way, way too premature to mention him in a discussion about shoe ins.

Originally Posted by nat

Of course those guys all make it. I'll second packs' suggestion. The Joe Mauer question is much more interesting.

Also:

Joey Votto
C.C. Sabathia
Jose Altuve
Zach Greinke

[the 'stache]

As for Kershaw, he could retire tomorrow, and if I had a vote, I'd put him into Cooperstown the day he was eligible without batting an eye. He has been the dominant pitcher in Major League Baseball for the past seven seasons. During that time, the N.L. average for ERA is 4.25. His ERA over that span is 2.10, historic for any era of baseball. His ERA + over that span is 179. That's obscene.

He's won three Cy Young Awards. He's been runner up twice, finished third another time, and fifth in 2016. The only reason he finished that low in '16 is that 40% of his season was wiped out by injury. He would have easily won his fourth Cy Young had he not gotten hurt. His ERA + was 237, and he had a 15.64:1 K:BB ratio, whiffing 172 batters in 149 innings, while walking 11. His WHIP was 0.725. He was 12-4 with a 1.69 ERA.

He's led the league in ERA five times in the last seven seasons, and his 1.69 ERA would have challenged Zack Greinke (1.66) had he finished the year for another ERA title in '16.

The last five seasons, Kershaw's ERA is 1.95. We're looking at one of the greatest pitchers in the modern era.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Jose Altuve?

He's a great player, don't get me wrong. But he's played a little over six seasons. Way, way too premature to mention him in a discussion about shoe ins.

...and then there's Mike Trout!


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