Anybody have any pre-1900 Brooklyn photos, cards, etc?

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Posted By: Dave

I have come across a vintage pin that was described to me as pre-1900 with a member of the Brooklyn team. I have no way of providing scans. Anybody have any pre-1900 Brooklyn pics that would at least show off uniforms from the time period?? Thanks.

Edited to try and describe...the player is unknown to me. its a picture on the pin of the player from waist up, ball in hand, arm back as if to throw. he has a white hat on with two dark stripes around it...nothing on his jersey..(white)

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Is it a Cameo Pepsin pin? Do you know the name of the player?

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Posted By: Joe D.

Dave,

I believe this photo was taken in the 1890s.

Its a RPPC I recently picked up on eBay... The print is more modern than the date of the photo (maybe from the 50s?). The seller was nice enough to explain who the company was that made the print - and seemed like a nice enough person - but I still feel his listing was misleading (as to the age of the print). I kept it as a lesson learned.

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Posted By: Dave

Dan....I'm not sure what type of pin it is...I have basically no knowledge of pins. It is about 2 1/2 inches in diameter. It is also a little scuffed up...not mint condition or anything.

Joe...that would lead me to believe this pin may not be a brooklyn player...with no brooklyn name on jersey or even a letter b....hmmm...I guess unless possibly brooklyn in the 1880's had different uniforms, or plain uniforms with the hats as described above.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

If you can provide us with a scan I'm sure someone here will know right away what it is. Pinbacks from the 1890's are very scarce and it could be worth your while even if it's not a Brooklyn player.

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Posted By: Dave

Problem is I don't think I can get a scan unless I buy it from him...maybe I can get by there and take a picture. He is wanting $300 for this.

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Posted By: Joe Jones

does the pin look like a photograph or does the image look painted? Is there any paper ad on the back of the pin?

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Posted By: Dave

It looks more like a photograph (from what I can remember). And if there ever was anything on the back it's either faded or rubbed off by now...

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Posted By: Joe Jones

Sounds interesting, especially if it is 19th. century! It would be nice to see a photo if you can get one.

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Posted By: Dave

I suppose scan unseen...kinda hard to tell me if its worth me giving him his asking price...

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Posted By: Zach Rice

My first thought when reading the post was the same as Dan's, an 1898 Cameo Pepsin pin. These are much smaller then the size you describe, though. They are 1.25 inches in diameter and have amazing sepia images and a paper backing. Your pin is much larger and I don't think I’ve ever seen a cameo with a non-portrait pose like the one you described (except the team pins of course).

You don't see many pins from the time period you described, let alone ones that size. I just browsed through my Hake and Steckler book and couldn't really find any images that fit the description of the pin mentioned in this post. It is possible that it is something homemade or from an unknown set, I guess. I'd love to see an image of it.

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Posted By: Dave

I still haven't been able to get a photo of the pin..but did run across this...from my memory its the same exact hat as the player shown on the pin...can anyone correctly identify this team or even the era for sure?? If I can find out the team with the player on the pin perhaps with a little more detective work I can find out the player...
Sorry...probably should have blown up the pic

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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

You might want to check this site. Rob              http://brooklynpix.com/catalog12bk.php?locality_no=11701

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Posted By: ramram

Dave,

That team is 1880's. Can't see it well enough to tell which team it might be but uniforms, etc. are consistant with 1880's.

Rob M.

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Posted By: Dave

Thanks...1880's may work for the time period anyway..just trying to make sure the pin isn't after 1900.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Dave, pinbacks were not invented until 1896 so it can't be earlier than that if it is a celluloid pinback.

edited to add that I just looked it up to make sure and Whitehead and Hoag patented the process for making a celluloid pinback in 1894.