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[6-4-3memorabilia]

Greetings to all in Net54, I am new to the site but looking at the posts everyone has here it looks like a lot of you are really great people, with great collections, stories, and great knowledge of the hobby. I have been collecting since I was 8 years old in 1996 and collect a little bit of everything but I am an amateur compared to most of you on here. I really would appreciate help on these items I recently picked up. Now they are all certified but I won’t say by whom because I want an unbiased opinion from everyone on here. I bought a Joe Wood signed check, a Joe Medwick cut, a Bob Shawkey signed card, a Hank Aaron and Sadaharu Oh signed baseball, and a Goose Goslin signed HOF postcard (signed on back). I picked them up very cheap, but looking at a couple of them they don’t look right IMO after doing more research after I bought them. The Goslin looks like it might be ghost signed and I know I took a risk on the Aaron and Oh ball. Any input on here would be a great help before I send it to another authenticator and try to get my money back from the folks I bought them from since it was from an auction and they claimed everything was 100% real. Sorry about the picture quality and if someone needs a better picture I will try to provide it Hopefully you guys can see the pics because I had posted this in the wrong area at 1st and Leon told me error messages come up when he clicked on the links although they are fine from my side when I click on them. I am new and trying to get a hang of the site and how it runs

[Lordstan]

I'll go first.
Welcome to the board. Your assessment of the board is pretty much spot on. Lots of really good people who are willing to share their knowledge. My best piece of advice would be to become familiar with the search function. Many many subjects have been discussed already, so you may find the answers to your questions before you even ask.

As far as you items go....
1) Don't care for the Aaron, but it is a bit small, so I'm not certain it's bad. Don't know OH so I can't comment.
2) Wood - good.
3) Medwick - good
4) Shawkey - good
5) Goslin - tough. Some things look good, but looks a little "loose" to me. I'm not sure, but even if it is good, I probably would go for a nicer one.

Good luck collecting,
Mark

[mschwade]

Is it just me or does it look like the Oh and the Aaron are in the same hand and it doesn't even appear that they tried to make it look any different.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I'll go first.
Welcome to the board. Your assessment of the board is pretty much spot on. Lots of really good people who are willing to share their knowledge. My best piece of advice would be to become familiar with the search function. Many many subjects have been discussed already, so you may find the answers to your questions before you even ask.

As far as you items go....
1) Don't care for the Aaron, but it is a bit small, so I'm not certain it's bad. Don't know OH so I can't comment.
2) Wood - good.
3) Medwick - good
4) Shawkey - good
5) Goslin - tough. Some things look good, but looks a little "loose" to me. I'm not sure, but even if it is good, I probably would go for a nicer one.

Good luck collecting,
Mark

Thank you for the input Mark!! Oh is tuff since I believe it is an auto most collectors don't know about. I only paid $220 for the group of 5 here. The Aaron does scare me too a little. The reason I want to know about the Goose is because he got into the Hall on 1968 (died in 1971) and the last year or so of his life he used a ghost signer which I didnt know til after I bought it, bad job on my part but hey it was only $35, apparently one signed on the front can be worth $3k and one signed on the back can be worth $1,500. he didn't like to sign the front of the HOF postcard,

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by mschwade

Is it just me or does it look like the Oh and the Aaron are in the same hand and it doesn't even appear that they tried to make it look any different.

I thought the same thing, even though it is an "o" and "n" for Aaron it does appear to look the same as the "o" and "H" in Oh's name. I might have to bring this up to the auction folks I bought it from. Again I am no expert on autos and should have stayed away from this. live and learn but from the auction I bought it from nothing should have been fake

[tazdmb]

Pretty sure Goslin was signed by his wife, as mine looks nearly identical (the way the G's start at the beginning of first and last name) is usually a sign of wife signed items. Looking to replace mine.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Pretty sure Goslin was signed by his wife, as mine looks nearly identical (the way the G's start at the beginning of first and last name) is usually a sign of wife signed items. Looking to replace mine.

Thanks for your thoughts, looks like this Goose was a lame Duck, I don't like the G's as you said either. I really should have done my homework before the auction. However this was again an auction and they said everything was 100% authentic. What are my options really on these because I hate to have bad autos and don't want to pass them off to an unsuspecting buyer. We need a clean hobby

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 6-4-3memorabilia

Thanks for your thoughts, looks like this Goose was a lame Duck, I don't like the G's as you said either. I really should have done my homework before the auction. However this was again an auction and they said everything was 100% authentic. What are my options really on these because I hate to have bad autos and don't want to pass them off to an unsuspecting buyer. We need a clean hobby

Either return them to the auction house or just throw it away.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Either return them to the auction house or just throw it away.

since you guys confirmed by thoughts the items were certified by Drew Max, I am really kicking myself about this. here is a link from the article about the auction
http://www.northjersey.com/news/sold...08551?page=all

I feel bad for the guy that spent $7,500 on the Gehrig ball, the guy spent around $12k at the auction. I kinda new about Max being a bum so I tried to buy things that I knew would not be forged such as the Wood check and the Shawkey card and I think I have a pretty good felling on Medwicks signature. My bro bought a Harey Carray check so I think that's ok, Goslin I wasn't sure about but it was cheap enough to take a risk but I have no idea why I went for the Aaron/Oh ball.

[shelly]

It would have been nice is you told us it was uthenticated by Drew Max. Unlike Psa I would have.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by shelly

It would have been nice is you told us it was uthenticated by Drew Max. Unlike Psa I would have.

Yeah know hes a joke, I just wanted to get an unbiased opinion on them before you knew who the "Authenticator" was. I am sure even if real autos people would say "Its fake" just because it has Drew Max's name with it

[6-4-3memorabilia]

I should have known when they expected as they said "1,000 bidders" and it ended up being 30 to 40 people in the room and another 75 online bidding something wasn't right. Live and learn although I kind of want to contact the prosecutors office who held the auction where "Everything was 100% authentic" and tell them what I found out. I should write the newspaper that covered the auction multiple times about the findings. Maybe they will print a follow up. Im going to wait and see if anyone else surfaces about fakes. Im also going to get JSA to look at it so even if rejected I have written proof that will counter Drew Max

[djson1]

Originally Posted by 6-4-3memorabilia

... I tried to buy things that I knew would not be forged such as the Wood check and the Shawkey card and I think I have a pretty good felling on Medwicks signature.....but I have no idea why I went for the Aaron/Oh ball.

I will also confirm the Wood and Medwick sigs as good.

My advice for the Oh signature is that if you're in the market for Oh, I would always go for his signature signed in kanji (Chinese characters). Those are easier to detect for forgeries. His English only autograph is very easy to duplicate, so I would stay away from those unless you saw it in person.

Prestige collectibles has a great reference of real and fake Oh sigs here:
http://www.prestigecollectibles.com/ohfake.aspx

[JimStinson]

Oh ! THAT auction ...well welcome to the board first of all ..secondly its always a good idea to do your research before you spend your dough. As for getting your money back I would say slim to none and slim is out of town , No matter what the opinion givers have to say. Remember this as you sojourn into the world of autograph collecting. The most expensive autograph you'll ever buy in your life is one that is not authentic
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[JimStinson]

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[brooklynbaseball]

Here is one of my Goose Goslin cards for comparison. There are no front signed Goslin cards that I have ever seen without problems concerning authenticity. A tru authentic one would be worth 10k plus. As for the back signed, you would be fortunate to find one in the 3k range. I wouldn't sell mine for that price, but you might get lucky and find one eventually.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

I just feel really bad about the guy that won the Gehrig and Walter Johnson ball, he also won a ticket stub from Babe Ruth "Called Shot" game in the 32 World Series for $1,500. No idea if it was real or not, wasnt slabbed and it was an unused ticket that looked in great condition. No way that was authentic IMO. They also had a Jon M. Ward signed Old Judge card that went for $1k that Max authenticated. No way was that even close to his sig, if that thing was real would have gone for over $10k

[bender07]

Originally Posted by 6-4-3memorabilia

I just feel really bad about the guy that won the Gehrig and Walter Johnson ball, he also won a ticket stub from Babe Ruth "Called Shot" game in the 32 World Series for $1,500. No idea if it was real or not, wasnt slabbed and it was an unused ticket that looked in great condition. No way that was authentic IMO. They also had a Jon M. Ward signed Old Judge card that went for $1k that Max authenticated. No way was that even close to his sig, if that thing was real would have gone for over $10k

That's entering Coach's Corner territory. Sky would be the limit if that were real. Way beyond $10K IMO.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by bender07

That's entering Coach's Corner territory. Sky would be the limit if that were real. Way beyond $10K IMO.

probably right, being so rare even if one existed I can only imagine the price of it

[6-4-3memorabilia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VhswbapaBY here is a video prior the auction, What I dont understand is why did the NJ prosecutors office go with Max who is all the way in Vegas as opposed to Spence who is basically right down the street

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by 6-4-3memorabilia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VhswbapaBY here is a video prior the auction, What I dont understand is why did the NJ prosecutors office go with Max who is all the way in Vegas as opposed to Spence who is basically right down the street

What is the difference between Royale with Cheese ? & Quarter Pounder ?

Vincent: Yeah, baby, you'd dig it the most. But you know what the funniest thing about Europe is?

Jules: What?

Vincent: It's the little differences. I mean, they got the same shit over there that we got here, but it's just...it's just, there it's a little different.

Jules: Example?

Vincent: All right. Well, you can walk into a movie theater in Amsterdam and buy a beer. And I don't mean just like in no paper cup; I'm talking about a glass of beer. And in Paris, you can buy a beer at McDonald's. And you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?

Jules: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

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Jules: What do they call it?

Vincent: They call it a "Royale with Cheese."Jules: "Royale with Cheese."Vincent: That's right.Jules: What do they call a Big Mac?

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"Jules: [in mock French accent] "Le Big Mac." [laughs] What do they call a Whopper?

Vincent: I don't know, I didn't go in a Burger Kiing
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[Scott Garner]

Classic lines from one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies of all times...

[6-4-3memorabilia]

No idea what movie that is from, I cant even remember the last movie I watched even was, its' been so long

[jad22]

Originally Posted by brooklynbaseball

Here is one of my Goose Goslin cards for comparison. There are no front signed Goslin cards that I have ever seen without problems concerning authenticity. A tru authentic one would be worth 10k plus. As for the back signed, you would be fortunate to find one in the 3k range. I wouldn't sell mine for that price, but you might get lucky and find one eventually.

I can only recall one authenticated front signed Goslin postcard that was put up for auction (back in 2008). Not sure what it sold for.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by djson1

I will also confirm the Wood and Medwick sigs as good.

My advice for the Oh signature is that if you're in the market for Oh, I would always go for his signature signed in kanji (Chinese characters). Those are easier to detect for forgeries. His English only autograph is very easy to duplicate, so I would stay away from those unless you saw it in person.

Prestige collectibles has a great reference of real and fake Oh sigs here:
http://www.prestigecollectibles.com/ohfake.aspx

Wow, looks like PSA even authenticates fake Oh signatures

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by 6-4-3memorabilia

No idea what movie that is from, I cant even remember the last movie I watched even was, its' been so long

Quentin Tarantino's movie Pulp Fiction with John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Quentin Tarantino's movie Pulp Fiction with John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson.

I heard of the movie but never seen it, hell I just saw Good Will Hunting for the first time a few months back. I cant sit through a whole movie, I get antsy although I can sit and watch the Mets lose a 4 1/2 hour game as they did last night to the Phillies so go figure

[JimStinson]

The quote I posted relates to autographs in general ....
But as for the movie The dialog is classic through out .......the closing scene is among the best I have ever seen in cinema with Samuel L. Jackson explaining his situation in the restaurant...., If you have never seen the movie you really should stop whatever it is you are doing and watch it , Its amazing , scary and funny at the same time ....Hey how about the conversation about "foot massages" in the beginning of the movie between Sam Jackson and Travolta ? Hilarious, Even more hilarious how was Jackson able to ID his wallet from the hundreds in the bag?...Classic....
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