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Old 06-11-2018, 12:07 AM
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Default Anyone ever see a Topps Xmas cello rack pack with different years cards?

Hi Gang:

Ever see a Topps Christmas Cello Rack Pack with cards from different years???

See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-TOPPS-...0AAOSw7tRbFxxB

Two 58's on each side of a 59 Ashburn Mays card

Are ALL of these packs fake?

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Old 06-11-2018, 07:45 AM
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"Fake" is a relative term here.

It's generally agreed these are an after-market product created by someone putting Topps cards into these racks and selling them. How contemporary the repacking was done is the big issue.

Although I haven't seen mixed years in any of these, others may have and it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The bottom line is...they are what they are...a grab bag of cards.

Trust but verify.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:48 AM
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I do not think there is any doubt that these things are still being churned out today. When Murphy first surfaced them he argued that they were oringinally packaged second hand by a third party for sale at retail stores at Christmas. The 3d party and retail stores were never identified as far as I know. Nor is it clear when this packaging took place originally. Some say the 60s, some the 70s, some the 80s and some the 90s. Some say they can tell the "originals" by the staples or packaging. But no one argues they are a Topps product and everyone concedes they are used/handled/returned/excess cards.

Here is something I got from Murphy and Murphy's business partner when I asked about them early on





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Old 06-11-2018, 03:31 PM
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So I'm pretty sure I sold this seller the 1961 Topps Mathews Christmas Rack Pack that he also has for sale, and regardless based on the stickers on the rack packs, I can tell that the ones he has for sale originally came from:

http://christmasrackpacks.com/

This seller's "story" is some relative bought two huge cases of these way back when, and gives them to him to sell over time. He does a lot of private sales and doesn't let his buyers talk to each other (he blocks their ability to email other buyers - which I find suspicious). So I've never been able to confirm or deny whether there are good cards or not in these packs (although one of our board members opened several and got nothing worthwhile). I will also say ... over the 14 years of selling these that he advertises on his website ... he has sold thousands of these.

Oh, and I should mention, I bought 1 rack pack from him (for the novelty of opening cards - even if they weren't "real") and he "threw in" a freebie. I find that suspicious. If you weren't making them yourself, you'd have a limited supply of "good rack packs", and I would think you wouldn't want to give those away for free. Which is why I sold the 1961 Mathews pack. I actually still have the other one (since it was a freebie) - so would be interested to hear if others had positive stories buying racks from him.

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I think they are all fake as a three dollar bill.

Some may be as old as the mid 80s as I don't remember any surfacing prior, but I agree with Al that they are still being made with an absolute ton hitting eBay in the last 5-7 years.
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and most filled with over priced commons.
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Seller who knows the real deal when he sees it....or has it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Chris...oAAOSwG0hZ34Mo
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Staples sold separately.

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Seller who knows the real deal when he sees it....or has it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Chris...oAAOSwG0hZ34Mo
The Rack Pack Genius.

"Christmas Rack Packs have been devalued by all the unscrupulous sellers that do NOT have proper badging like striped ends that taper to the top left on the front, proper sized wreath with correct number of snowflakes, striped staples, ect, ect..."

I like how he also wrote a buyer's guide on avoiding other fake rack packs that don't look like his fake rack packs linked at the bottom.

Plus they are all "XRPG" graded, so my doubts are swayed.
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