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Old 06-11-2018, 03:34 PM
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That's a good question, Kevin. I would lean towards the score books being done in real time. Pitching changes and position player substitutions were minimumal at the time. I don't believe on field strategies were very complex either. Wright may have just been neat and scored the game while sitting back in his easy chair.
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Old 06-11-2018, 05:28 PM
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I have the June 26 - August 2, 1883 Providence booklet of Wrights.

I think I may have an answer regarding as to whether Harry Wright actually scored the games directly into these scorecards/scorebooks during the game. My answer is that sometimes he did and sometimes he didn't.

In some of these scored games Harry has multiple small tic marks for tracking assists, errors, etc. These were the games he scored during the game.

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In other games, he did not use these multiple tic marks and I believe he scored them on other scorecards and then entered them into the booklet later.

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For further proof I'll digress for a moment. On the back of each booklet, or at least the one I have, Wright has cut down a single scorecard and glued it to the back of the booklet to add a little color.

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I figured that scorecard may hold a clue so I pulled it back as best I could. Sure enough, it has a scored game on it and it's one of the games from my booklet. That game in my booklet did not have the multiple tic marks on it. So, I believe Harry scored that particular game on the individual scorecard and then added it to the scorebook later.

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One more thought, I believe the scorebook Harry is holding in the dugout is actually one of these booklets.

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He had these trimmed down and gilded before they were put into the the full year's scorebook. You can see where part of his writing is cut off from the top of the scored pages.

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Old 06-12-2018, 07:56 AM
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fascinating stuff!
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Hi Kevin,
There was no 1882 Providence score book in the big find. If you go back to my article in issue #5 of VCBC, I mentioned no books had been found from 1882 or 1887. The only year from Providence was 1883. So either you are mistaken or I am unaware of its existence.

Rob's point is interesting that some may or may not have been scored during the game. I always found the books to be incredibly neat and precise, so I simply guessed that Wright added these games to the season score books at his desk at a later time. But it is also possible that he was incredibly neat and precise by nature, and was able to deal with the rigors of managing a game and keeping score simultaneously.

And Rob. I once owned the entire 1883 season and had it in my collection for several years. When I see the sections broken up it just makes me sick. By the way, that was the only score book that had the Sage trade cards pasted in, but I believe 1883 was the year they were copyrighted, so no surprise.

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Old 06-12-2018, 08:51 AM
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Also wanted to add that I never looked under any of those Sage scorecards, as they were pasted down pretty well. I thought they were blank trade cards. Interesting to see they were used by Wright to score.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:58 PM
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Hi Kevin,
There was no 1882 Providence score book in the big find. If you go back to my article in issue #5 of VCBC, I mentioned no books had been found from 1882 or 1887. The only year from Providence was 1883. So either you are mistaken or I am unaware of its existence.
Barry, your are correct. I meant to say that I owned the 1883 book. I assume that I purchased it from the person who got it from you.

I see from Rob's post that someone who owned the book after I did decided to break it down into sections. It was intact when I last had it.

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Rob - great info regarding the scoring. Thanks for posting that.
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