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Old 10-20-2011, 09:42 PM
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I meant that if you are determined to send it in to someone and no one could talk you out of it, then make sure you find out if it is real and that is the number one goal rather than what the cert can get for you.

It is absolutely amazing what one can read all over the internet regarding certs and the reasoning people have to send the item in to one company over another company or over a competent individual or seasoned dealer.

I have seen a dozen reasons , with not one involving whether or not the person was interested in getting the most accurate opinion on whether the autograph is in fact genuine. Other factors people mentioned were.

How much can the cert get me for resale value.
which cert is the most accepted in the hobby.
Does ebay like the cert
which company is the most well known.
which fee is the cheapest or most expensive
which one shakes my hand and hands out christmas calendars (joking, but not too far off)

it used to amaze me that these reasons would come first over trying to find out if the autograph is real, but collectors in all shapes, sizes and iq levels.

some of them are buying the cert, not the item. the cert is what is worth the money, and even if the prevailing company made a mistake, the autograph is still worth a mint, because the cert says so, and these collectors don't care if the autograph is bogus.

conversely, some collectors get an autograph wrongly knocked down by a large company, and even though the autograph can be proven to be legit, they don't want it if they cant get a cert for it. its worthless to them even though it is real. They want the cert and they are going to go through hell and high water to get that cert, or the good autograph can go in trash bin, that's all that matters to them.

Some day autographs will be like gold, not changing hands, just certs changing hands saying that it is out there somewhere, and it is authentic.

The autograph doesnt have to be real, just authentic.

Travis Roste

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Old 10-20-2011, 10:10 PM
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Travis, well said...

Since this is for my own collection I really have no concern on who would bring the top dollar on ebay, just want to feel confident it's real. The few autos that I'm collecting are Cobb, Greenberg, Newhouser and Gehringer to add to a lithograph that's been signed by the other living Tigers on it.

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Old 10-20-2011, 10:22 PM
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I guess in the end if I'm happy with it and feel it's real I should just save the $150 on authentication. More so my wife would slap me up side the head if I got bad news from PSA.
Would she slap you half as hard if you got bad news from Richard for half that price? (not knowing what he quoted you, but just looking at the prices on his website)

Seems to be in poor taste to get a quote from Richard for his services and then post the same item on a board he is known to frequent for freebie opinions. Kind of like getting a quote from a mechanic and then working on your car in the parking lot across from his shop: it's not illegal, but probably not the best way to do things.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:38 PM
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First off I just signed up on this thing and had no idea who he was. I came across his website while browsing and decided to call and get some answers and his pricing. Pardon my ignorance but I thought this site would open up a good discussion and educate myself in the process. Up until a few days ago I thought I had to send this thing in to get authenticated. Now I'm unsure and that's why I seek a little counsel.

I had no intention of being misleading and showing Richard any disrespect.
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Old 10-20-2011, 11:04 PM
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richard should do a "quick opinion" style like psa for a minimal cost. there are alot of uncerted signed items i see everyday that i'm kinda unsure about and i think would be great if i could get a quick opinion from richard. maybe not the high end or rare stuff that would cut into his bottom line, but the more common autos in the $50-$200 range to get his expertise.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:22 AM
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Casey,
My apologies if I jumped to any conclusions. I assumed that you had found and contacted Richard through the site rather than independently. Seems that was not the case, so I'll step back out of the discussion and continue chewing on my foot rather than running off new members
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:32 AM
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Hey no worries! I called Richard because I believe he had some good information on his site dealing with forgeries, seemed good. BTW, he is out of New York?
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I think it's legit. I have seen many authentic examples with the paraph exactly like that. FWIW, my vote is "good".
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:16 AM
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My first impression was that it's good as well.
I don't collect Cobb signatures, but I've seen a lot of good examples through the years that compare favorably with yours Casey.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:03 AM
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Hey no worries! I called Richard because I believe he had some good information on his site dealing with forgeries, seemed good. BTW, he is out of New York?
Come Rich, cut him some slack. He's just trying to educate himself which is exactly what we all talk about, and you are our guru. Cut the new guy some slack.
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