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Old 03-07-2018, 05:39 PM
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Don't know about million dollar (I know it's NOT in my collection), but this one will be Ten Million:
Dean's is selling it. If it isn't selling for ten million now, it never will be.
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Old 03-07-2018, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Michael Jordan 1984-1985 Star Cards

Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/

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Old 03-07-2018, 06:51 PM
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Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 51 Bowman Mantle Rookie
The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is almost certainly already there as we speak, should one change hands. The asking price for what was probably the very worst of the 11 or so in existence was $700,000 several years ago. As I stated in a thread some time ago, it is my pick for the first 8-figure card.

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Old 03-07-2018, 06:56 PM
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My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.
That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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How were you able to observe that?
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Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/
There is a site called Basketball Gold with excellent info on Star and some of the controversy.
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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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Multiple people have told me the reason PSA stopped grading is not that new ones were being run off printing plates, but that they had inadvertently graded some "Type II" cards -- preproduction samples never intended for distribution -- and were concerned they could not tell the difference.
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Honus Wagner Copper Plate rookie, if they finally can grade it...
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A PSA_10.5 or PSA_11 52T Mantle Rookie The card would exceed all PSA standards and be dubbed the 10.5 or 11..... call it the pack fresh, straight out of the box, undeniably MINTIEST card ever touched by PSA (and submitted by a key submitter that knows Joe personally).
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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.
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