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Old 09-15-2001, 09:18 AM
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

Is it just me or do you read the new rules for Hall of Fame election by the Veterans' Committee to mean that there will be NO veterans or Negro Leaguers elected in 2002? That means no 19th century stars elected for two straight years. And the rules now call for veterans elections every other year! I think the 19th century stars are going to get screwed BIG TIME!


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Old 09-15-2001, 02:44 PM
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Posted By: HalleyGator

I posted about this on the old board, because my collection focuses only on Hall of Famers and I try to look ahead and predict who will get in.

If the new Veteran's Committee stays in place, I think we have seen the end of ANYBODY getting in the Hall of Fame who did NOT play after 1950. I say this because there are hardly any Hall of Famers alive who played before then, and they now have a very strong voice in selecting who gets in.

The old Hall of Famers ALL have agendas (like Ted W. trying to get Dom Dimaggio in), so I think they will continue to lobby for their cronies but will ignore anyone who played before them.

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Old 09-15-2001, 02:52 PM
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

You might never be able to get a deal from a seller any longer on a "potential" Hall of Famer who might have been very iffy in the past since they will be voting on a PUBLISHED ballot. EVERYONE will know EXACTLY what 25 - 30 players are up for election and the sale prices of their cards will rise because of it, even if only temporarily.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

...has an cfqual and opposite reaction. If the baseball powers that be do something you don't like, wait a year, and they'll overrcorrect.

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Old 09-15-2001, 04:57 PM
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Posted By: HalleyGator

I just finished reading "Politics of Glory," and if nothing else he shows that the Hall of Fame is very good at making a profit. Thus, what interest do they have in adding someone from the 19th century when NO additional fans will show up in Cooperstown because of his induction??? I honestly think that the end has finally come for anyone who played BEFORE 1950. I thikn the attitude of the voters is going to be: "Those old players have had AT LEAST 50 years to get elected and have NOT made it yet, so they must NOT be deserving." The ONLY way this would change would be if someohw one of the older players was publicly "romanticized" in some way (a la Field of Dreams, etc.)

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Posted By: Marc S.

Well -- I think that too many "borderline" Hall of Famers have been elected in the past 10 - 20 years, so if the standard is unreasonable tight for a decade or so, I think it will stop the flow of complaints of the Hall of Fame being too "watered down".

There have just been too many weak elections in the past years to really justify having such an "easy" standard. It will be nice to have one or two people elected per year -- all with stellar stats without being a questionable election (i.e. Buddies on the Veterans' Committee).

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Having said all of this, let's talk about who MIGHT make it in the near future from those players who are NOT vintage but who are no longer playing:

Ozzie Smith (I say yes)
Eddie Murray (I say yes)
Andre Dawson (I say yes)
Dennis Eckersley (I say yes)
Wade Boggs ( I say yes)
Paul Molitor (I say yes)
Lee Smith (I say maybe, but I would vote no)
Ron Santo (I say maybe, but I would vote no)
Gary Carter (I say maybe, but I would vote no)
Allen Trammel (I say no and would vote no)
Frank White (I say no and would vote no)
Don Mattingly (I say no and would vote no)
Dale Murphy (I say no but would vote yes)
Jim Rice (I say no and would vote no)
Dwight Evans (I say no and would vote no)
Jim Kaat (I say no and would vote no)

Any others I am forgetting?? Any other opinions??

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Old 09-15-2001, 08:37 PM
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

In my mind, the only HOF first ballot certainties are Paul Molitor and Wade Boggs. I think Eddie Murray's attitude will keep him out for a while (payback is a bitch, isn't it?).

If you want to keep "watered down" candidates out of the Hall, relief pitchers are at the top of my list. The save statistic is ridiculous.

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Posted By: WWolter

I think there are a few no-brainers on the list. Ozzie Smith is a no brainer, and I feel that Gary Carter should be in as well. If you compare his numbers to Fisk's, he should be in. I think the greatest injustice towards potential hall of famers is Dale Murphy. If anyone deserves to be in the hall of fame he is the one. Like Ozzie, Murphy has won numerous awards for community service,fund raising,etc.. He is one of the nicest guys around, and he was hitting 40 hrs a year when that meant something. As far as relievers are concerned, Gossage and Sutter deserve to be in. They were saving games when it meant coming in in the 5th or 6th inning.

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:53 AM
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

I'm not a huge Ozzie Smith fan. I really think he's a borderline case. His stats aren't any better than Larry Bowa's or Roy McMillan's for God's sake! I don't think either of them belong in the Hall of Fame.

And you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame for your "on the field" accomplishments. There are probably lots of guys as nice as Dale Murphy, but with crummier statistics. If they were nicer than Dale Smith, would that mean they are more deserving of the Hall than he?
Sorry - he's out.

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