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Old 05-22-2017, 11:53 AM
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Default ANy Die Hard Diamond Stars Collectors out here?

My Dad, who I do miss dearly, left a note and an open slot in our Master set of Diamond Stars that states there may exist a #2 Simmons with Sox on shirt and blue print on back.

Now I just noticed this and we completed this Master set back in the early 1980s but I have only ever seen the blank shirt with the blue printing on back.

Any help from the community is greatly appreciated.

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Old 05-22-2017, 12:47 PM
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All the Blue Back Al Simmons cards I have noticed are without the Sox emblem, but I haven't been checking that closely. If it does exist with the Sox on uniform it would likely be a rare beast. I assume the complete master set that was recently auctioned by Huggins and Scott did not have it.

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Old 05-22-2017, 01:17 PM
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A google image search shows several with Sox on the shirt...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Al+S...lVymGpQATkSpM:
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:21 PM
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Actually there's a bunch on ebay too so it doesn't appear to be too rare.
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:29 PM
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Dan is looking for info for cards with Blue printing on the back that would have the Sox emblem. The Blue back cards were printed in 1936, and indicate on back that Simmons is with the Tigers. If it exists, a blue back Simmons with a Sox emblem got printed before the producers of the cards 'whitewashed' his uniform to eliminate the Sox emblem.

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Old 05-22-2017, 01:32 PM
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A Sox on shirt blue back techically doesn't exist, so I agree that it would be an extreme rarity!

As a side note, I'm almost half way to a master set myself, and currently own 2 of the 3 known Simmons cards (35 Green "Sox on shirt" and 36 Blue "No Sox on shirt" - still missing the 34 "Sox on shirt" version).
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:36 PM
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Ah, gotcha. I obviously missed the '36 difference. I have a stack at home, I'll have to look through them tonight. Sorry about that...
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I'm a semi-diehard. Simmons was sold to the Tigers in December of 1935. Manush was traded to Boston from Washington in December of '35 as well. Cuyler went from the Cubs to the Reds in July of '35. Roy Mahaffey went from Philadelphia to St. Louis in January of '36. Maybe the most interesting is Dixie Walker who went from the Yankees to the White Sox on May 1, 1936. His 1936 blue-back version removes the text about him being on the Yankees. That makes one assume that the '36 versions were printed after May 1 of 1936. And alll of the above team changes were accounted for in the '36 print run.

All in all, it would seem to be highly unlikely that a 1936 version of Al Simmons exists with the White Sox on his jersey, given that it's likely the '36 versions were not released until, at the very earliest, late May of 1936, and most likely even later. Simmons had been a Tiger for 5 months already by May of '36. Maybe there were reprints with blue ink - that I do not know.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:24 AM
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I am liking these answers guys.....

and I appreciate all of the excellent input!

Now since Simmons is card #2, I will have to get comfortable and move the entire set up one position throughout the binder.

A true task at hand

thanks again

Dan Mckee
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Or just move the Groves and the Simmons down one and put a nice header type of card in the first pocket. Maybe one noting your dad's role in building the set?
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