1984-85 Star Jordan XRC 101 Manipulation

[JustinD]

These to me are waiting for a crash, but I feel the misinformation out there on the later printings has finally died and this is now recognized by collectors as Jordan's true RC and not a silly XRC.

Even in a crash situation I do not see any graded nice examples dropping below 2500 ever again. However breaking the 10k barrier is unsustainable.

If you have one, sell it now and replace in 3 years.

[mmier118]

I feel that the card is finally catching up to what people are willing to pay. I have one, and at these prices I'm not even close to being interested in selling. I view this card as my generations 1952 mantle. It had been described as a "unicorn" in the 90's. I remember the first time I saw one and was amazed. It was an $800 card in the 90's when I first saw it and I think it got as high as $2500 or so back then. It got beat up when the Shop at Home scandal broke and is just now regaining it's footing as Jordan's premier rookie card. I'm sure that a large majority of the population is tucked away without the intent of ever coming to market again, that's why it is taking higher and higher prices to pull them out of peoples collections. Is it a bubble? Who knows, but I'd rather ride the wave down then bet I can replace my Star 101 Jordan cheaper than they are now in 3 years.

When I got back into collecting the two big ticket cards I really wanted were a 1933 Goudey Ruth and the Star 101 Jordan. I'm sure there are other "kids of the 90's" that are getting back into collecting cards and that these two will be high up on the list of premier cards to obtain.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How does this get a 9 grade on corners?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-STAR...3D172170036737

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

These to me are waiting for a crash, but I feel the misinformation out there on the later printings has finally died and this is now recognized by collectors as Jordan's true RC and not a silly XRC.

Even in a crash situation I do not see any graded nice examples dropping below 2500 ever again. However breaking the 10k barrier is unsustainable.

If you have one, sell it now and replace in 3 years.

That PSA refuses to grade them says something, no?

[HRBAKER]

This generation's Mickey Mantle?
Maybe but STAR is not Topps and basketball is not baseball.
Jordan is Mantlesque though, maybe more than Mantle.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The 101 is also not an attractive card IMO -- Jordan's face is a blur really. I don't see how these values last if the major grading service won't even touch it.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The 101 is also not an attractive card IMO -- Jordan's face is a blur really. I don't see how these values last if the major grading service won't even touch it.

I agree, I have always thought the STAR sets looked like someone made them in their garage.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The 101 is also not an attractive card IMO -- Jordan's face is a blur really. I don't see how these values last if the major grading service won't even touch it.

I'm not sure how much the "not an attractive card" aspect matters at all. It is still the rookie card of the most iconic athlete of the past 30-40 years, probably the most collected athlete in the hobby overall. Being an unattractive card has not hurt the value of Shoeless Joe's E90-1 at all. The second point, I can agree with. The price of Star 101s would really go through the roof if PSA ever started grading them again.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The 101 is also not an attractive card IMO -- Jordan's face is a blur really. I don't see how these values last if the major grading service won't even touch it.

Sorry, double post.

[mmier118]

I agree that the 1986 fleer card is a better looking card, but it is not that rare. The Jordan Star 101 is relatively rare compared to demand, like I said in the 90's it was sort of a unicorn. Also It doesn't really bother me personally that PSA won't grade the Star cards, for me it's a non-issue as I prefer BGS graded cards and I understand the reasons that PSA doesn't grade them anymore. I feel that if they really were as counterfeited as the myth's say the pop report would be higher than the 500 or so it's at now. I think that the group of people that are willing to pay the high prices for a Star Jordan feel that PSA is best for Vintage, and BGS does modern best so it's a non issue to them that PSA won't grade them. Just like I'd rather have a Bowman Chrome Trout or Harper RC graded by BGS, the Star 101 graded by BGS is just fine by me. These are all just my opinions so take them with a grain of salt because sometimes my opinions differ from the norm. As an example I don't really see why people are paying as much as a car costs for a 1952 Topps Mantle. It's a great card and I see the appeal but the 1951 Bowman is his RC and if people can justify 40 to 50k for that card why is it so nuts that the Jordan Star 101 can get 10k? In the end they are both just cardboard and the price is set by how much money it takes to get one collector to sell to another at this point.

[ezez420]

It is nuts when a card goes from $6500 to $18000 in 4 months. Is it nuts or manipulation?i think the latter.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by ezez420

It is nuts when a card goes from $6500 to $18000 in 4 months. Is it nuts or manipulation?i think the latter.

I don't particularly follow the basketball sector of the hobby, much less this card, but I have heard more than hobby member I respect suggest that PSA will soon begin grading the card (and star issues in general) once again. I doubt that can explain a three fold increase in four months, but then again with some of the price increases I've seen (and paid) nothing would surprise me at this juncture.