T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

It's so interesting all the different ways everyone collects this set, including if they are graded or not. Seeing that this thread is already 800+ posts, I thought it would be fun to go back and read the first page. I found one of my posts from a little over 2 years ago. It's interesting to see how my numbers have changed since then.
I even believed that a certain "No Print" card existed even though no one had ever seen one and I actually ended up finding it.

Thanks Ted for starting this thread and thanks to everyone that contributes to it.

Hi Ron

I think the "NoPrint" you are referring to is the Lajoie with SWEET CAP 350-460, Fac. #30. A great find on your part.

And thanks for the kind words....plus all the very meaningful stuff you have posted in this thread these past 2 years.



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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

I think the "NoPrint" you are referring to is the Lajoie with SWEET CAP 350-460, Fac. #30. A great find on your part.

And thanks for the kind words....plus all the very meaningful stuff you have posted in this thread these past 2 years.



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Hi Ted, yes the Lajoie. Has another one been found that I'm not aware of? I actually stopped looking after I found mine.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Ted, yes the Lajoie. Has another one been found that I'm not aware of? I actually stopped looking after I found mine.

Hi Ron,

Sorry for the delayed response to your question.

It's my understanding that David Hall's master set includes all 28 - SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #30 "no-print" cards. So, yes another Lajoie exists.


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[Ronnie73]

Just curious as to how many T206 collectors actually spend a lot of their time looking for new print group patterns? I'm always trying to find patterns and cards that don't fit the patterns. Just like today, I started with a blank sheet and wanted to find anything odd about Sweet Caporal Factory 25's. Many probably start at the beginning but I always start in the middle. I start with 350's and then look at what's missing from the 150's and the 460's. I tend to find more patterns by doing it this way. Interestingly, I found that 12 cards were missing from print group 4. After I listed them together, the list looked very familiar. It was the same cards as the 12 that are difficult in Old Mill's and Easier in Hindu's. Although many of us already know about these 12 cards, it's still interesting to start with a blank page and discover how we all got to where we are currently. There are 457 different front Sweet Caporal Factory 25's out of 524 cards.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Just curious as to how many T206 collectors actually spend a lot of their time looking for new print group patterns? I'm always trying to find patterns and cards that don't fit the patterns. Just like today, I started with a blank sheet and wanted to find anything odd about Sweet Caporal Factory 25's. Many probably start at the beginning but I always start in the middle. I start with 350's and then look at what's missing from the 150's and the 460's. I tend to find more patterns by doing it this way. Interestingly, I found that 12 cards were missing from print group 4. After I listed them together, the list looked very familiar. It was the same cards as the 12 that are difficult in Old Mill's and Easier in Hindu's. Although many of us already know about these 12 cards, it's still interesting to start with a blank page and discover how we all got to where we are currently. There are 457 different front Sweet Caporal Factory 25's out of 524 cards.

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

Crandall, Doc (Portrait With Cap)
DeVore, Josh
Duffy, Hugh
Ford, Russ
Gandil, Chick
Geyer, Rube
Hummel, John
McGraw, John (Glove At Hip)
Pfeffer, Francis
Sheckard, Jimmy (Glove Showing)
Tannehill, Lee (Tannehill On Front)
Wheat, Zack

[Sean]

Oh, you mean the ones that are easier to find with the Red Hindu backs. Okay, I get it now.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

Sean

I'm surprised....for you know Merkle is not one of Exclusive 12 guys in the 460-only Series.

Your amazing Merkle run does NOT have a red HINDU card. Nor will it ever.....since the only
subjects in the 460-only Series printed with red HINDU backs are the Exclusive 12 subjects.

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[Ronnie73]

Wether your just getting started with collecting T206's or you've been collecting for many years, we can all agree that there are many ways to collect the Monster. Many collectors don't like T206's because they are not rare. Sorry but it's true. There are always many to choose from when making a purchase. There are probably between 100 and 200 complete 520 sets in collections. These are sets with any advertisement backs but usually Piedmont and Sweet Caporal which are most common.

So here's where it gets interesting. A 520 card set can go from common to difficult just by eliminating Piedmont and Sweet Caporal backs and chasing the more difficult backs. There may be a few of these specialty sets already completed and a small group of other collectors currently working on them.

Now, say you want to go from difficult to extremely rare. Lets say you eliminate Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, Old Mill, and Sovereign. Well 520 cards is not possible. There are 36 cards that would be missing from your set according to T206resourse. There are also 88 cards where Hindu Brown is your only choice. Here is the list of the missing 36 cards. Maybe some of these cards can be found and removed from this list.

Southern League
Jack Bastian
Bill Hart
Jimmy Hart
Frank King
Harry Lentz
Molly Miller
Al Orth
Charles Seitz
Carlos Smith
Dolly Stark
Tony Thebo
Foley White

Polar Bear Only
Ray Demmitt St. Louis
Bill O'Hara St. Louis

EPDG Possible but not confirmed
George Brown Washington
Ty Cobb Bat On Shoulder
Ty Cobb Portrait - Green
Wid Conroy Fielding
Sam Crawford Throwing
Dode Criss
Bill Dahlen Brooklyn
Jiggs Donohue
Kid Elberfeld Portrait - Washington
Ed Hahn
Fred Jacklitsch
Red Kleinow NY With Bat
John McGraw Finger In Air
Danny Murphy Throwing
Simon Nicholls Hands On Knees
Harry Niles
Rube Oldring Fielding
Frank Smith Chicago - F. Smith
Jake Stahl No Glove Shows
Rube Waddell Throwing
Jimmy Williams

Tolstoi Possible but not confirmed
Bill O'Hara New York

So bottom line, the question is, how common are T206's? The answer: It all depends on how you collect them. For those who want to know my current numbers, here they are.

No Piedmont or Sweet Caporal 494/520
No Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, Old Mill, or Sovereign 264/484