HOF autographs on ebay...real? opinions

[toyman55]

Looks like a deal if real. Any opinions
http://www.ebay.com/itm/380520070614...84.m1423.l2649

[jgmp123]

Hopefully someone more qualified will chime in, but I don't like the Foxx, Collins, or Traynor signatures....this would be a great opportunity to send over to Jim and make a $20 donation.

[bender07]

Ditto on the Durocher, Hartnett, Cochrane and Cronin. Looks bad all around.

[bender07]

Although the filet mignon looks good.

[David Atkatz]

They're all bad.

(I was about to say "save your twenty bucks," but that would be wrong. Make the donation.)

[Scott Garner]

Even Vandy appears to be forged!
This letter was signed within two weeks of the date of this "signed" dinner
program. You be the judge....

[Michael B]

My knowledge on Hall of Famers is minimal. However, looking at the signatures it looks like they were done recently with a steel tipped pen and not a fountain pen. There is too much feathering or migration of the ink which would probably not have occured if it was signed back then. Also, notice the severe inconsistency in the thickness of the letters such as in Mickey Cochrane which also looks drawn. I also see some hesistation which a person signing their own name would not encounter, see the 'Q' in Bob Quinn. I respect the knowledge the other members have with these particular signatures. I looked at it just for the signatures and not necessarily who they were.

Cheers,
Michael

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Michael B

My knowledge on Hall of Famers is minimal. However, looking at the signatures it looks like they were done recently with a steel tipped pen and not a fountain pen. There is too much feathering or migration of the ink which would probably not have occured if it was signed back then. Also, notice the severe inconsistency in the thickness of the letters such as in Mickey Cochrane which also looks drawn. I also see some hesistation which a person signing their own name would not encounter, see the 'Q' in Bob Quinn. I respect the knowledge the other members have with these particular signatures. I looked at it just for the signatures and not necessarily who they were.

Cheers,
Michael

Right. Even someone with zero knowledge of these specific signatures can easily see something is very unnatural about them.

[JimStinson]

Another friend was kind enough to make a donation, Thank you. I'd keep this pm in private but I don't think anyone is actually going to be bidding on that thing, so..........

NONE of the signatures on the program are authentic , right down to the Buddy Hassett. Also took the liberty of looking at the sellers "autographed" Rocky Marciano program and before anyone asks , its not good either.

I don't think there is an intentional attempt to decieve as the seller has some very nice antiques if you are into that kind of thing, they probably just picked the autographs up in an estate sale or something....AGAIN

However there is still a dire emergency existing in the Northeast as the result of Hurricane SANDY. The media has moved on to other events but the problem remains. So for those of you that would like opinions regarding autographs I would respectfully request that a $20.00 donation be made to the AMERICAN RED CROSS that is helping to put the lives back together of those that have been destroyed. Here is the link. Make a donation and send me as many scans as you would like , $20.00 Per autograph. It does NOT go in my pocket This offer is good until December 1st..Cheers

http://www.redcross.org/charitable-donations
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then e-mail me the scans to
jim@stinsonsports.com

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Wow those are all terribly 'drawn' and done slowly at that. Sigs don't look anything like the real deal. Collins is terrible, Cronin looks nothing like his, "G" in Gabby is so poorly/slowly drawn, like everyone else stated, all bad.

[isaac2004]

Who is "Jamie Foxx"? Apparently, he signed it

[toyman55]

I contacted the seller to let them know these were not real and here is the answer they gave me: "Thank you for the information. We will let the winning bidder take as long as necessary and stand behind our guarantee.
Thank you for your interest,
Lisa"

Oh well.

[JimStinson]

Sounds like they really appreciated your input , sometimes it difficult to articulate what they are really trying to say....let me translate

Thank you for the information = I wish you had not called , the less I know the better

We will let the winning bidder take as long as nessesary and stand behind our guarantee = We will pray the winning bidder has no communication with the outside World and is very elderly. As long as the hoops are high enough and they are not good jumpers we are good to go

Thank you for your interest= F you... for your unsolicitated involvement
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[Mr. Zipper]

LOL

That about sums it up.

[JimStinson]

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps its a language barrier , try Chinese





亲笔签名是假的

[JimStinson]

Recieved an e-mail today from someone claiming they were the buyer and that I was mistaken and that JSA issued a COA on the Copley Plaza autographed menu. I'm certain it was a prank ......(I hope it was a prank..lol)
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jim@stinsonsports.com

[dgo71]

Wow. It's been said already so no need to rehash I guess, but that is one of the worst, most laughably bad fakes I've seen.

[yanks12025]

Did anyone contact the buyer, the username is squidmouth?

[toyman55]

I found who the buyer was and here is what he said to me
"Thanks for trying to help me, but this shows how little the public nonprofessional analysts of signatures really know...JSA has seen the menu and said that the autographs are all authentic!!!!

Appreciate your interest, but I'll have to rely on the professional opinions...am quite pleased with my good buy - it was a steal!!!"

Can't say he wasn't warned, I even gave him the link to these posts.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by toyman55

"Thanks for trying to help me, but this shows how little the public nonprofessional analysts of signatures really know...JSA has seen the menu and said that the autographs are all authentic!!!!

Appreciate your interest, but I'll have to rely on the professional opinions...am quite pleased with my good buy - it was a steal!!!"

It was a "steal" alright, but he was the one who got robbed. If he took ten seconds to do a simple Google search on ANY one of those signatures he would see for himself how bad those are. Quite sad really that the mentality exists that JSA is beyond reproach. That kind of thinking will allow forgeries to stay in the market for a long, long time.

[yanks12025]

I want to see proof that jsa gave it a letter and he's not just saying it did.


Also we have had members comment before that used to work for JSA or PSA, so I think their opinion would be right up there(I think most of us here trust our members opinions more the JSA or PSA).

[collectbaseball]

Reminds me of the fine seller of this item.

I sent what I thought was a very reasonable request: "Do you have a clearer picture of the signature? If I buy it and determine that it is stamped will you allow a return?"

And got back: "Hi, I am sorry I cannot guarantee the signature. I do not wish to have it returned on 'just another opinion'. I think everyone bidding realizes there is a question about the signature and they are taking a gamble as I did when I bought it. So I hope you will honor that request of not bidding unless you want to gamble, as the other bidders are doing. I think it has some value even if stamped however, and I have no idea what that would be."

[yanks12025]

I asked the buyer and he told me he hadn't sent it to PSA or jsa yet and has certain concerns about it.

[dgo71]

LOL, well, he's getting warmer...I wonder why he went from confident in JSA's opinion (or whoever) to having concerns suddenly. I guess at this rate, he will be downright livid sometime around Tuesday.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by dgo71

It was a "steal" alright, but he was the one who got robbed. If he took ten seconds to do a simple Google search on ANY one of those signatures he would see for himself how bad those are. Quite sad really that the mentality exists that JSA is beyond reproach. That kind of thinking will allow forgeries to stay in the market for a long, long time.

Did JSA really ever see these? What did they just gave him a free look without certifying them?