Looking for prewar expert....

[Sean1125]

Just picked up a "lot" of cards, paid $750 locally... I don't do anything prewar so I don't know how I did other than one or two cards....
Here is the list
>>>>>t205 TY COBB GOLD BORDER
>>>>> [T206]
>>>>> MITCHELL, CINCINNATI SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> MATHEWSON, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
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>>>>> CLANCY, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> LUNDGREN, KANSAS CITY SWEET CAPORAL
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>>>>> TAYLOR, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> KISINGER, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> COLES, AUGUSTA PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BASTIAN, SAN ANTONIO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCINTYRE, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCQUILLAN, PHILA. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> WILTBE, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WILSON, PITTSBURG PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> GILBERT, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> POLAND, BALTIMORE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> LINDMAN, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WHITE, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> OLDRING, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> DONLIN, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> ALPERMAN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> STREET, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> DYGERT, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BELL, BROOKLYN OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> MOLESWORTH, BIRMINGHAM OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> CONROY, WASHINGTON SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> CRANDALL, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> ATZ, CHICAGO AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> ABBATICOHIO, PITTSBURG SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> NICHOLS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCGINNITY, NEWARK PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCGRAW, NEW YORK NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WADDELL, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> LAKE, ST.LOUIS AMER. OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> CAMPBELL, CINCINNATI OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> STARK, SAN ANTONIO OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> CAMNITZ, PITTSBURG OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> O'HARA, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> O'LEARY, DETROIT OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> ABBOTT, TOLEDO SOVEREIGN
>>>>>
>>>>> SCHMIDT, DETROIT PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> RYAN, ROANOKE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> AMES, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WESTLAKE, DANVILLE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SCHMIDT, DETROIT PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HOWELL, ST.LOUIS AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> DOYLE, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SHAUGHNESSY, ROANOKE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> CHANCE, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> CHANCE, CHICAGO NAT'L OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> CHASE, N.Y. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> F.CLARKE, PITTSBURG PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> TINKER, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BOWERMAN, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> STONE, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCELVEEN, BROOKLYN AMERICAN BEAUTY
>>>>>
>>>>> MURPHY, PHILA. AMER. OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> BURCH, BROOKLYN SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> OVERALL, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BERGEN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> THIELMAN, LOUISVILLE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> O'NEIL, MINNEAPOLIS PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HUNTER, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> PFEFFER, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCBRIDE, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MERKLE, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> G.DAVIS, CHICAGO AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HOFFMAN, PROVIDENCE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> PELTY, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> PHELPS, ST. LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> CAREY, MEMPHIS PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> EVANS, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> KIERNAN, COLUMBIA PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HAYDEN, INDIANAPOLIS PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WILTSE, N.Y. NAT'L OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> DOOLAN, PHILA. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> BLISS, ST.LOUIS NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> BECK, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> FROMME, CINCINNATI SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> ANDERSON, PROVIDENCE SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> DOUGHERTY, CHICAGO AMER. OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> PFEISTER, CHICAGO NAT'L OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> DOUGHERTY, CHICAGO AMER. OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> LENNOX, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> RUCKER, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> QUINN, N.Y. AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> HUMMEL, BROOKLYN SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> CASEY, MONTREAL SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> DINEEN, ST.LOUIS AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> SPEAKER, BOSTON AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> OWEN, CHICAGO AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SWEENEY, N.Y. AMER. OLD MILL
>>>>>
>>>>> EVERS, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SHARPE, NEWARK PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MALONEY, ROCHESTER PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HOOKER, LYNCHBURG PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCGINLEY, TORONTO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> KRUGER, COLUMBUS PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BUSH, DETROIT PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> DOWNEY, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> GRAY, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> H.DAVIS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> JONES, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> CRAVATH, MINNEAPOLIS PIEDMONT
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>>>>> GANZEL, ROCHESTER PIEDMONT
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>>>>> MARSHALL, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> THEBO, WACO PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HOWARD, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SID SMITH, ATLANTA PIEDMONT
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>>>>> MCCORMICK, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SLAGLE, BALTIMORE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HOBLITZELL, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WILHELM, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> BRASHEAR, KANSAS CITY PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HART, LITTLE ROCK PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MULLIN, DETROIT PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> NICHOLS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> DUNN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> KILLIAN, DETROIT SWEET CAPORAL
>>>>>
>>>>> PUTTMAN, LOUISVILLE PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> ORTH, LYNCHBURG PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> DUBUC, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> SCHRECK, COLUMBUS PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> WARHOP, N.Y. AMER. PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> HULSWITT, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> STOVALL, CLEVELAND PIEDMONT
>>>>>
>>>>> MCGRAW, N.Y. NAT'L SOVEREIGN

[bcbgcbrcb]

As long as they are authentic and in any kind of halfway decent condition, I would say that you did pretty well for yourself.

Care to post some scans?

[mybuddyinc]

At around $10/card, with a bunch of HOFs and Southern Leaguers, even if they are all ripped in half, you got a great deal !!!

[Leon]

Wild guess says you are out $750 as they are fake.....just a guess though...Hope I am wrong. If they are real you did well.

[broadhurstinc]

Congrats,
A very good deal if authentic.. try to post some scans of a few fronts and backs. Most likely will be able to tell right away if they athentic by having some pictures of them.

2 cards you have there could be extremely valuable:

doyle, ny natl - depending on which doyle.. if it's blue and his hands are up above his head you just hit the lottery.

o'hara, st. louis - one concern on this is you have it with a piedmont back which isn't possible.. should be a polar bear back

try to post some scans of these two and a few others so some board members can have a look.

Kris

[t206hound]

I'd have to agree that it is very unlikely that these are authentic. I responded to a Craigslist post recently and all of the cards were reproductions. Post a scan/photo of a few and we can let you know for sure.

[BleedinBlue]

Ohara sl piedmont + doyle ny NATl = fake

[Jason]

I was halfway expecting to see Wagner,Pittsburg listed after that seeing that Doyle Ny Nat & O'Hara.

[Sean1125]

I was halfway expecting non-sarcastic responses, but we can't all win can we?


If I made a bad buy, I made a bad buy, tell me no need to try and insinuate me as dumb, I told you I knew nothing on the subject already.

[danski496]

I agree with him, not all of us are experts , we collect for the fun of it as a hobby. Making a joke out of somebody doesn't show any respect in fellow collectors.

[BigDan502]

If he wanted non sarcasm he would have posted at least some pics.
He wanted a hearty pat on the back for a great find.

Good job buddy
Get em graded and there's a slew of guys that will help you make a nice return on that 750.
I honestly hope theyre all good and that they come back as 2s and 3s so I can buy them

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by BigDan502

If he wanted non sarcasm he would have posted at least some pics.
He wanted a hearty pat on the back for a great find.

Good job buddy
Get em graded and there's a slew of guys that will help you make a nice return on that 750.
I honestly hope theyre all good and that they come back as 2s and 3s so I can buy them

Or someone is disabled (Because their car got hit by a bus) and can't get pictures until someone comes over next Monday.

You got me!

[broadhurstinc]

Sean,
There are many board members who have vast knowledge and are very helpful, unfortunately it seems there are more who have the mentality of 10 year olds, i know it is frustrating but in general it is best to ignore the insecure who have nothing better to do than throw thier two cents in whenever they can when it has no bearing on the topic. some feel the more posts they make here will give them some sort of stature. easiest thing to do is block them.

One easy way to tell without seeing scans is the backs, alot of fakes will have the wrong ink color on the backs, example : piedmont backs printed in red ink when they should be blue, etc How ever there are also many that have correct coloring. Take a look on ebay at graded cards with good pics you can zoom in on and compare.

Kris

[BigDan502]

great find

chin up


hope that works for you

[Ladder7]

Dont be so sensituve, it's just the internet.

Good luck with the T's.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

Dont be so sensituve, it's just the internet.

Good luck with the T's.

Not sensitive, couldn't care less, just telling idiots that there might be a hidden reason someone can't do something. Lots of card collectors are cynical bastards.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Not sensitive, couldn't care less, just telling idiots that there might be a hidden reason someone can't do something. Lots of card collectors are cynical bastards.

I think all the replies you got were honest. The majority think you got a good deal IF they are authentic. However, because one of the front/back combo's isn't possible and because MOST "too good to be true" deals aren't good at all, we are requesting scans so we can help you determine if they are real or fake. We all wish you the best, no need to start calling people (whom you are asking for help) idiots and bastards.

Originally Posted by Sean1125

no need to try and insinuate me as dumb, I told you I knew nothing on the subject already

Best of luck. Next Monday, please provide scans so we may better assist.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

I think all the replies you got were honest. The majority think you got a good deal IF they are authentic. However, because one of the front/back combo's isn't possible and because MOST "too good to be true" deals aren't good at all, we are requesting scans so we can help you determine if they are real or fake. We all wish you the best, no need to start calling people (whom you are asking for help) idiots and bastards.



Best of luck. Next Monday, please provide scans so we may better assist.

Not calling out the people that helped, calling out the idiots who have to toot their horn about anything that doesn't pertain to "You did well if authentic" I got the idea

[benderbroeth]

one thing i would like to add was that he was looking for experts to see if he got a good deal or not...he did not say hey i am an expert look at the great loot i got.....i think some people are acting as if he knew what he got and was trying to show off..if he knew he would not be asking for help he would say look at my pull!!! in your face..or something like that.

[823dek]

this isnt the Kardashians.

WHen you get a chance to post some pics, please do so for the board enjoyment. I dont sell carpet over the phone either, one has to see. Say your scanner is down or that you'll get them up in a few days. Most that are giving you a hard time do not have money anyway. Better you then their wifes I guess.

[mrvster]

Hello Sean,

question- does your american beauty seen "shorter" than the other cards??
if so, might be authentic....btw....if they are, i would be interested in your american beauty back

lmk...when you get scans..

take care

Johnny

[Sean1125]

Hopefully should be arriving tomorrow and will get scans up... If not I will have to file a police report lol

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Hopefully should be arriving tomorrow and will get scans up... If not I will have to file a police report lol

How did you pay for them ? I was assuming you bought face to face so atleast maybe knew where the person lived. Good luck with it but not looking very good.

[BigDan502]

Uh oh, seans not gonna be happy with the tone of that good luck
Cheifbender.
This thread is an ultra sensitive thread.

It doesn't belong in BST either

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by BigDan502

Uh oh, seans not gonna be happy with the tone of that good luck
Cheifbender.
This thread is an ultra sensitive thread.

It doesn't belong in BST either

Yeah, not even delivered... I would have rather had 100 fake cards than nothing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Yeah, not even delivered... I would have rather had 100 fake cards than nothing.

If you do get defrauded use it as an expensive learning lesson. Most of us older guys (I have a feeling you aren't very old) have had much worse learning lessons. Not that it helps you any but this situation wouldn't make my top 20 bad financial decisions. good luck...

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Leon

If you do get defrauded use it as an expensive learning lesson. Most of us older guys (I have a feeling you aren't very old) have had much worse learning lessons. Not that it helps you any but this situation wouldn't make my top 20 bad financial decisions. good luck...

Dare I ask you to start a new thread detailing "top bad financial decisions?" Would be interesting to see what everyone would admit to...

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Big Six

Dare I ask you to start a new thread detailing "top bad financial decisions?" Would be interesting to see what everyone would admit to...

Sean, I have to admit that I also think you may have gotten taken here...It happens. We've all had our learning experiences in the hobby. Don't let it discourage your love for the hobby, keep your head up bro...

Now to Matt's proposal. I love the idea. Would Bo Jackson count as a "top bad financial decision"? All kidding aside, I imagine there would be some very interesting responses in a thread like that...

I think my worst would be buying an "autographed" card from a seller on ebay, who seemed to dealt with mostly Matchbox cars, and junk parts without pictures for anything. I thought I was just getting a steal from a guy who didn't know what he was doing. Boy was that an understatement.. Turns out the guy didn't know the difference between an autograph and a facsimile signature on a card... I got a simple "Are you sure? I thought it was signed" and a quick and easy refund.. Coincidentally, while I joke about the money I'd lost collecting Bo as a kid, this also happened to be a Bo Jackson card..