Getting sick of the more obvious frauds

[calvindog]

This Star Player Cobb card has been on ebay for a while with the following description: "The last SGC 10 (1) sold for $6900 and this card rarely comes up for auction." The seller generously listed it for a huge discount at $5299. Only one problem: the "last" SGC 10 of this card was his purchase 30 days ago for $2629. The $6900 figure is from a sale in 2008.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Star-Pl...item20d161bb63

[Seattle799]

What do you think of this one? Fraud, or just a terrible scanner?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151021973737

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Seattle799

What do you think of this one? Fraud, or just a terrible scanner?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151021973737

Looks like it spent some time in a washing machine.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This Star Player Cobb card has been on ebay for a while with the following description: "The last SGC 10 (1) sold for $6900 and this card rarely comes up for auction." The seller generously listed it for a huge discount at $5299. Only one problem: the "last" SGC 10 of this card was his purchase 30 days ago for $2629. The $6900 figure is from a sale in 2008.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Star-Pl...item20d161bb63

Unfortunately finding legit sellers who aren't trying to rip people off or asking a king's go***mn ransom on every single card is getting harder and harder to find in this hobby. It truly is becoming a sad state of affairs. I honestly believe some people think everybody but them are morons who have "no idea" how to research what cards are actually worth and what they've recently sold for. It's actually quite insulting to potential buyers.

I LOVE the guys who JUST purchased cards a few days, few weeks or few months prior then mark it up 200-300% of what they JUST bought it for, lol! I mean seriously.....it's getting old REAL fast.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This Star Player Cobb card has been on ebay for a while with the following description: "The last SGC 10 (1) sold for $6900 and this card rarely comes up for auction." The seller generously listed it for a huge discount at $5299. Only one problem: the "last" SGC 10 of this card was his purchase 30 days ago for $2629. The $6900 figure is from a sale in 2008.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Star-Pl...item20d161bb63

I saw that a week or so ago and thought exactly the same thing. I don't understand sellers like this at all. Blatantly dishonest.

[Matthew H]

Buyer beware: A TPG poor grade can mean almost anything... The $6900 card received the same grade but they don't compare... Oh, he doctored the scan too

[Harliduck]

I'm a post war vintage guy, but see the same thing. I've actually now seen a couple of cards where I was the underbidder showing up here on our B/S/T for three or four times the ebay won price. I don't mind someone trying to make a little profit, but some seem ridiculous...

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I'm a post war vintage guy, but see the same thing. I've actually now seen a couple of cards where I was the underbidder showing up here on our B/S/T for three or four times the ebay won price. I don't mind someone trying to make a little profit, but some seem ridiculous...

I've said it many times, I'm all for sellers trying to make a little profit, hell I've been known to be very generous in my offers compared to recent sales on certain cards. But I draw the line when sellers act like an a$$ with me by deliberately asking 2-3 times what a card has been selling for. They think just because they see a couple fluke large price spikes on a couple rare cards here and there in major auction houses, that everybody is a moron now and willing to way overpay for every single card.

It's an annoying trend that's been growing a lot lately not only here but on Ebay as well. It's caused a handful of my former collecting buddies, whom I've known since the late 90's when we all got into vintage cardboard, to completely leave the hobby. Not because they didnt have deep enough pockets (which definitely wasn't the case), it was because they were tired of constantly dealing with unrealistic sellers for every little thing.

Ok rant over........

[glynparson]

I agree with Jeff about lying in descriptions. However those complaining about people's prices, get over it. It's their card if you don't like it maybe you should have outbid them the first time, when they bought it. It's America they have the right to price as they see fit. Do you same people go into the big box stores and complain because you could buy the tv or ipad cheaper on ebay? Ebay isn't really a retail market, it's pricing is sort of a retail/wholesale mixture. Like I said if you dont like someones price make them an offer if they have that option, if not just move on it's only cardboard. Absent lying I don't see why a person cant ask what they want for their card. Also this idea that nothing has ever sold in auction for a fraction of it's value is also laughable. Many times things sell on eBay for 1/2 to 1/3 of value. There's a lot of material and things slip through the cracks.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This Star Player Cobb card has been on ebay for a while with the following description: "The last SGC 10 (1) sold for $6900 and this card rarely comes up for auction." The seller generously listed it for a huge discount at $5299. Only one problem: the "last" SGC 10 of this card was his purchase 30 days ago for $2629. The $6900 figure is from a sale in 2008.

I rescind my post here, apparently my coffee had not kicked in this morning.

My apologies for mixing up the facts.

[Shoele$$]

Awwww....just love when people out themselves as "those" sellers

Now we all have reference points in which to avoid when it comes time to buy.

Nobody said sellers couldn't "ask what they want" or "rip off who they want" they just shouldn't be surprised when they get no business or are met with no nonsense buyers like myself and many others who have a very low tolerance for bull$hit.

[Matthew H]

The description has been changed to remove the BS; however, I personally couldn't call it the highest grade example, if i were selling it. I guess it's not technically a lie, but it's probably the ugliest example in the hobby.

[markf31]

Matt,

I apologize, maybe the coffee had not kicked in this morning yet. I could have sworn that when I checked the serial numbers this morning that the 2008 one matched the one for sale now on Ebay.

It was my mistake.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Getting sick of the more obvious frauds

So you want more less obvious frauds?

Sorry but every time I see this thread bumped into my new posts I think it comes off like you wish people would hide their fraud better.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

So you want more less obvious frauds?

Sorry but every time I see this thread bumped into my new posts I think it comes off like you wish people would hide their fraud better.

Pretty much. At least if you're going to commit a fraud try to be a little less obvious and put more effort into it. Being dishonest and lazy is worse than just being dishonest.

[Ease]

Originally Posted by calvindog

At least if you're going to commit a fraud try to be a little less obvious and put more effort into it. Being dishonest and lazy is worse than just being dishonest.

I like this.

[Tanman7baseball]

Speaking of frauds, or in this case potential fraud. I just don't get it. You know this will be used for some potential scam.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner...p2047675.l2557

I just don't understand... This will probably be used to deceive some poor sap...
It's even in a psa/sgc hybrid China case. They are promoting this "reprint" to be a great alternative to the real thing. Sure, whatever that's fine. The buyers for this? Probably scammers...

My question is why put it in a fake holder? It's advertised as a reprint but I believe the underlying purpose of these particular cards is to screw someone over... Just makes me mad.

I don't know if I'm overreacting because I've been scammed before soooo... All I know is it is a very heartbreaking experience which even led me to stop collecting. I just don't want someone to go through something like that. Luckily, I recovered ( even though it was 10 years later).

Forgive me for the venting...

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Tanman7baseball

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner...p2047675.l2557

This will probably be used to deceive some poor sap...
It's even in a psa/sgc hybrid China case. They are promoting this "reprint" to be a great alternative to the real thing. Sure, whatever that's fine. The buyers for this? Probably scammers...

My question is why put it in a fake holder? It's advertised as a reprint but I believe the underlying purpose of these particular cards is to screw someone over

Colby,

At first blush, these "cards" seem (to me, at least) to come right from a fraudster's toolbox, complete with suspect holders. Admittedly, I did not drill down into the fine details; however, completely agree with your point.

These things will wind up being part of a scam someday.

Best Regards,

Eric

[atx840]

Originally Posted by buckyball1

well...... i seldom post and really know better than to wade into the swamp, but i think this thread and a lot of others of late have turned a bit ugly not due to things like language, but rather attitude, arrogance and lack of tolerance for others' view....phew, this should get me roasted from all sides

jim frey

Hey Jim, well said, you should post more.