2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I feel that it's wrong to give love to Gil Hodges without acknowledging someone like Keith Hernandez, who I think has a stronger case.

Does that make John Olerud a HOFer? They had basically the same career. If anything, Olerud was better offensively...

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Does that make John Olerud a HOFer? They had basically the same career. If anything, Olerud was better offensively...

To whom are you referring? I feel Keith should be in and I don't think that for Hodges/Olerud.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Topps206

To whom are you referring? I feel Keith should be in and I don't think that for Hodges/Olerud.

I was referring to Hernandez.

Hernandez: 17 years, 2088 games, 2182 hits, 426 doubles, 162 HR, 1071 RBI, 1070 BB, .296 BA, .384 OBP, .436 SLG, 128 OPS+. 1 batting title, 1 shared MVP, 11 Gold Gloves. 1 season of 100+ RBI, 1 season with 99 RBI. 0 seasons of 20+ HR.

Olerud: 17 years, 2234 games, 2239 hits, 500 doubles, 255 HR, 1230 RBI, 1275 BB, .295 BA, .398 OBP, .465 SLG, 129 OPS+. 1 batting title, one other season of .354. 0 MVPs. 3 Gold Gloves. 4 seasons of 100+ RBI, 3 other seasons with 93+ RBI. 5 seasons of 20+ HR.

For most of Hernandez's career, his "most similar" player is John Olerud.

Olerud was an all-time elite defensive 1B (which shows how unreliable dWAR is - Baseball Reference has Olerud as a negative dWAR player for his career, which is simply laughable, and Hernandez at just 0.6 for his career). Hernandez was the best, no question. But Olerud was just a touch below that level.

So, if you're going to say Hernandez belongs in, then Olerud goes in, too. More productive offensively, nearly equal defensively.

[Topps206]

Hernandez win all those Gold Gloves, though. There was something really good about him defensively. If you're the best defensive player ever at your position, you can have a spot in Cooperstown.

[dgo71]

+1 on the Olerud/Hernandez comp. I don't think either are HOFers but were in that "very, very good" range.

Rafael Palmeiro won a Gold Glove in a season that he was almost exclusively a designated hitter. Using GG's as a gauge for HOF worthiness is flawed logic at best.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by dgo71

+1 on the Olerud/Hernandez comp. I don't think either are HOFers but were in that "very, very good" range.

Rafael Palmeiro won a Gold Glove in a season that he was almost exclusively a designated hitter. Using GG's as a gauge for HOF worthiness is flawed logic at best.

When you win 11 of them, I doubt that's an accident.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I was referring to Hernandez.

Hernandez: 17 years, 2088 games, 2182 hits, 426 doubles, 162 HR, 1071 RBI, 1070 BB, .296 BA, .384 OBP, .436 SLG, 128 OPS+. 1 batting title, 1 shared MVP, 11 Gold Gloves. 1 season of 100+ RBI, 1 season with 99 RBI. 0 seasons of 20+ HR.

Olerud: 17 years, 2234 games, 2239 hits, 500 doubles, 255 HR, 1230 RBI, 1275 BB, .295 BA, .398 OBP, .465 SLG, 129 OPS+. 1 batting title, one other season of .354. 0 MVPs. 3 Gold Gloves. 4 seasons of 100+ RBI, 3 other seasons with 93+ RBI. 5 seasons of 20+ HR.

For most of Hernandez's career, his "most similar" player is John Olerud.

Olerud was an all-time elite defensive 1B (which shows how unreliable dWAR is - Baseball Reference has Olerud as a negative dWAR player for his career, which is simply laughable, and Hernandez at just 0.6 for his career). Hernandez was the best, no question. But Olerud was just a touch below that level.

So, if you're going to say Hernandez belongs in, then Olerud goes in, too. More productive offensively, nearly equal defensively.

im a huge met fan loved keith as well as Olerud - neither belong in the hof. Keith was great and so was Olerud - but neither were hof IMO