Who is the greatest right handed hitter of all time?

[skelly423]

I remember a similar thread recently about left handed pitchers, and I thought I’d reverse the question.

Lefties dominate the all time greatest hitters list (Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Williams, Musial, Bonds, etc.), but who do you think is the greatest right handed hitter? Rogers Hornsby comes immediately to mind, but Mays and Aaron have strong claims to the title. Anyone else you think belongs in the mix?

[bnorth]

Hank Aaron is the greatest but Albert Pujols was pretty amazing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mays has to be up there.

[G1911]

Probably Hornsby or Aaron. Mays is right there, Wagner is high up there.

[bmattioli]

Aaron..

[Touch'EmAll]

Jimmie Foxx was a beast, er, he is The Beast.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll

Jimmie Foxx was a beast, er, he is The Beast.

Was just going to post Foxx.

[JollyElm]

Baseball is all about fandom, so my heart screams Dave Kingman!!!!!!!!!!

[Mark]

In my opinion, Mays was the best RH hitter of his era. Hornsby, Trout, Wagner are also among the best.

[Casey2296]

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I'll go with the Say Hey Kid!
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[mrreality68]

Hornsby
Aaron
Mays
Wagner
Pujols

[Eric72]

I'm not 100% sure if he was the greatest right handed hitter of all time; however, Rogers Hornsby averaged over .400 for a five-year stretch.

That's borderline unbelievable.

[molenick]

If you mean just as a hitter, I will say Hornsby. If you mean as an overall player, I will say Mays.

[Tyruscobb]

Rajah was the greatest right-handed hitter and it’s not even “that” debatable. He has the second highest lifetime batting average; three .400 seasons; two Triple Crowns; seven batting titles; two MVPs; and a partridge in a pear tree.

Every other mentioned player is just vying for second place.

[keating3620]

Konnnnng

[Carter08]

Some would say Josh Gibson should be considered. I’d go Aaron.

[JollyElm]

Guess it's all based on what the definition of 'hitter' is in this context. I would take the number of runs produced in a player's career and divide it by the number of games they played in their career to arrive at an average runs produced per game stat. An imperfect formulation, but runs win games, so it makes sense. Of course, there'd still be a helluva lot of screaming about what exactly constitutes a 'run produced' (does knocking in a run and scoring a run both count?), along with everyone who will once again only base their opinions on the theoretical stat of WAR.

[FrankWakefield]

I agree with a bunch of you...

Mr. Reality 68 up there has five listed:

Hornsby
Aaron
Mays
Wagner
Pujols

I lean towards it being among those guys. And they're all close.

Close on their heels would be Al Simmons, Ed Delahanty and Pete Browning; but those 3 are behind that top 5.

I REALLY like Bill James' first Historical Baseball Abstract. In my estimation, that is one fine book. I like the two pages he gives to Ed Reulbach. However, one eye opening moment for me was reading his perception of what a fine, great, superlative baseball player Willie Mays was. I saw him play. But I think that a baseball fan would need to have been born about 1930 or earlier, then live about 85 years, to fully appreciate just what a player Willie was. And that's coming from me, a Stan Musial fan.

[Fred]

Hank or Willie

[bigfanNY]

Lots of advanced stats to consider but if you just go old school and look at Batting Average. How often a player gets on base by Hitting the baseball. Rajah is clearly the Best Right handed Hitter in the History of Baseball. And that was the Question asked " Who was the best Right handed hitter in baseball. Hornsby.
That is a very different question as to who is the greatest right handed baseball player. And luckily for us Mike Trout is making a mark for himself in that debate. And Aaron Mays Foxx Pujols all have a case.
Jmho

[DeanH3]

No love for DiMaggio?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

No love for DiMaggio?

As the greatest ever? No.

I can't believe even with the guys who are listing top 5's that Jimmie Foxx is getting almost no love.

[Touch'EmAll]

Pujols, sigh. As an Angels fan I looked at the daily box scores, ugh. And I would see Pujols down there in the Batters Box and think, "so this is Pujols" and roll my eyes. Ok, he did great things in STL, but the Angels years - OMG!

[Scocs]

Originally Posted by molenick

If you mean just as a hitter, I will say Hornsby. If you mean as an overall player, I will say Mays.

+1

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by molenick

If you mean just as a hitter, I will say Hornsby. If you mean as an overall player, I will say Mays.

This^

[Rich Falvo]

Aaron

[Tabe]

I wouldn't call him the best ever but Miguel Cabrera deserves to be mentioned ahead of guys like Pete Browning. 500 homers, 3000 hits, .300 average, and a Triple Crown. Know how many right-handed hitters have done that? One. Miggy.

[skelly423]

Originally Posted by molenick

If you mean just as a hitter, I will say Hornsby. If you mean as an overall player, I will say Mays.

That’s exactly what i meant when I asked the question. Rogers was a terrible fielder.

[Tomi]

Frank Robinson should be on a list like this.

[jsfriedm]

Not sure how people want to consider this, but Mantle was a much better right-handed hitter than lefty - he hit .330 for his career righty. So can we include right-handed Mantle on the list?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

Not sure how people want to consider this, but Mantle was a much better right-handed hitter than lefty - he hit .330 for his career righty. So can we include right-handed Mantle on the list?

Mantle also was never the same from the left handed side of the plate after Red Schoendist landed on his right shoulder in the World Series.

As for the question, I'd probably say Hornsby or Foxx. I think depending on how the rest of his career shapes up, however, we might be able to say Mike Trout.

[rats60]

Dead Ball Era - Honus Wagner
Pre-integration Live Ball Era - Rogers Hornsby
Modern Era - Willie Mays

[obcbobd]

Originally Posted by rats60

Dead Ball Era - Honus Wagner
Pre-integration Live Ball Era - Rogers Hornsby
Modern Era - Willie Mays

Good choices, I might go with Aaron over Mays.

One guy no one has mentioned Manny Ramirez. He certainly has his negatives but man could he hit

[packs]

Rickey Henderson was right handed too. I don't know everyone's definition of hitter but if I'm fielding a team I'm probably gonna look twice at a guy who leads of all baseball in runs.

[Jewish-collector]

Who was a better hitter between Mays vs Aaron ?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

Who was a better hitter between Mays vs Aaron ?

For me it is Aaron as he leads in all the counting stats.

Hits
Aaron 3771
Mays 3293

HR
Aaron 755
Mays 660

Batting Average
Aaron .305
Mays.301

Runs
Aaron 2174
Mays 2068

RBI
Aaron 2297
Mays 1909

Total Bases
Aaron 6856
Mays 6080

[ClementeFanOh]

Packs beat me to Rickey H by about 40 minutes. I do NOT think he belongs
with the current consensus Top 5, but he's a sneaky great call.

Trent King

[Rad_Hazard]

It's Foxx for sure. If we are doing counting stats it's Aaron, but Foxx beats him per PA.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by molenick

If you mean just as a hitter, I will say Hornsby. If you mean as an overall player, I will say Mays.

Agree on both.

[Scocs]

Originally Posted by bnorth

For me it is Aaron as he leads in all the counting stats.

Hits
Aaron 3771
Mays 3293

HR
Aaron 755
Mays 660

Batting Average
Aaron .305
Mays.301

Runs
Aaron 2174
Mays 2068

RBI
Aaron 2297
Mays 1909

Total Bases
Aaron 6856
Mays 6080

It is true that Aaron had better overall numbers towards the end of his career vs. Mays, but Mays also lost nearly two years to military service. It’s frightening to think of Mays’ hypothetical career totals….

[isiahfan]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Baseball is all about fandom, so my heart screams Dave Kingman!!!!!!!!!!

Love it....my buddy's college roommate!

I'll throw the Big Hurt into the discussion...his peak stretch is right there with everyone else including Pujols. And his size and plate discipline were unmatched by many of the others listed. If he would have taken the juice for his injuries like others of the time he could have extended a couple more decent years maybe...but I am glad he didn't!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Scocs

It is true that Aaron had better overall numbers towards the end of his career vs. Mays, but Mays also lost nearly two years to military service. It’s frightening to think of Mays’ hypothetical career totals….

Aaron played his career in hitters parks. From 1966-1974, the easiest hitters park in MLB. Mays played most of his career (1958 on) in pitchers parks.

[sniffy5]

It’s Joe Dimaggio. Throw whatever stats you want at the situation. He was the best. If any of us started a team, he’d be the first picked.

[RL]

al kaline...probably not in the to 5 though

[packs]

I really do think there is a case for DiMaggio over Mays and Aaron. Sure, short career and not even 500 homers, but there are very few players better than him. His overall slugging, OPS and OPS+ figures are very close to Mays and Aaron. I do realize Mays and Aaron's longevity are pretty much unsurpassed except for each other. But what a player DiMaggio was behind the raw numbers.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by packs

I really do think there is a case for DiMaggio over Mays and Aaron. Sure, short career and not even 500 homers, but there are very few players better than him. His overall slugging, OPS and OPS+ figures are very close to Mays and Aaron. I do realize Mays and Aaron's longevity are pretty much unsurpassed except for each other. But what a player DiMaggio was behind the raw numbers.

I think OPS+ does a pretty good job of measuring relative performance, at least over the last 100 years. The top right handers in the modern era, by OPS+, are:

1.Trout
2.Hornsby
3.Suttles
T4.Foxx
T4.Judge

The next five, ignoring juicers, are:

6.Greenberg
T7.Allen
T7.Thomas
T9.Aaron
T9.Dimaggio
T9.Mays

Trout and Judge will probably drop some as they get towards the end of their careers, but still they are in select company surrounding Hornsby and Foxx. Dick Allen had an amazing career in the era of cavernous parks and high mounds. Frank Thomas's achievements get overlooked because he played in the Selig/Reinsdorf PED-approved years.

[obcbobd]

Originally Posted by packs

I really do think there is a case for DiMaggio over Mays and Aaron. Sure, short career and not even 500 homers, but there are very few players better than him. His overall slugging, OPS and OPS+ figures are very close to Mays and Aaron. I do realize Mays and Aaron's longevity are pretty much unsurpassed except for each other. But what a player DiMaggio was behind the raw numbers.

Interesting that all three have the same OPS+. According to OPS+ the winner is Mike Trout, but keep in mind he is still in his prime and his OPS+ could go down. Also the 1960s were a low scoring era. The 30's were higher. I believe one year the NL averaged over 300. For that reason I would go with Aaron. He did it much longer, almost twice as many plate appearances as DiMaggio.

Rank Player (yrs, age) Adjusted OPS+ PA Bats
7 Mike Trout (12, 30) 176 6159 R
8 Rogers Hornsby+ (23) 175 9481 R
Mule Suttles+ (21) 172 3649 R
14 Pete Browning (13) 163 5315 R
Jimmie Foxx+ (20) 163 9677 R
Aaron Judge (7, 30) 163 3161 R
Mark McGwire (16) 163 7660 R
18 Dave Orr (8) 162 3411 R
19 Hank Greenberg+ (13) 159 6098 R
23 Dick Allen (15) 156 7315 R
Frank Thomas+ (19) 156 10075 R
25 Henry Aaron+ (23) 155 13941 R
Joe DiMaggio+ (13) 155 7672 R
Willie Mays+ (23) 155 12545 R

[packs]

DiMaggio missed 3 ultra prime seasons. He was never going to get to 755 home runs but I think it was likely he was going to put up monster numbers for those seasons and probably would have finished with better OPS figures than we're looking at now. He missed his age 28 to 30 seasons, which are typically peak seasons for a player.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hornsby
Aaron
Mays
Wagner
Pujols

I'd have them in slightly different order, but damn hard to argue with these 5.

[Rad_Hazard]

Originally Posted by rats60

Aaron played his career in hitters parks. From 1966-1974, the easiest hitters park in MLB. Mays played most of his career (1958 on) in pitchers parks.

This is very true. To do what Mays did in Candlestick was absolutely insane.