Net54 Bracketology Round 1 Leaderboard

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Posted By: JK

"Roy Williams. Class coach. Waits until his team scores 103 points and 3 minutes left in a huge blow out to start taking his starters out. Class guy. I hope someone beats his smirking ass down the road. I guess since his teams have choked so often in past years at Kansas and NC that he wanted to make his 36 point lead was safe. What a jackass."

Bob - I realize that that was your school, but you've got to be kidding right? That comment above looks like nothing but sour grapes to me. I was at the game. When I left, it looked to me like the Razorbacks were still trying to score, still trying to play defense, and still hoping to come back. Texas's starters lost a 17 point lead in the last 7 minutes of their game against Miami (a 10 seed) and was fortunate to hold on to the win. 30 points up may be a lot safer than 17, but not when you have walk ons and non-scholarship players in the game. This is the NCAA's - there is no room for mistakes. And its not as if Arkansas wasn't playing well. They shot just under 50%, had only 9 turnovers, and shot 6 more free throws than did Carolina (so there goes the "refs love Carolina" theory). If the score had been reversed, I guarantee that Arkansas wouldnt have put in their scrubs until the last few minutes. Arkansas got out played - get over it.

And by the way, say what you want about the Kansas years, but since Roy has been at UNC, he is 1-0 in National Championship games.

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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)

Jeff, thanks for clearing that up for me. I was not even in the right sport! Boy, was I lost.

I was just so excited to see the word Cardinal mentioned even though I did not think he was referring to Stanford.

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Posted By: Tim

I couldn't agree with JK more.

It's the NCAA tournament. This isn't the time to rest your starters. You want them on the floor and working to win a national title, not sitting on the bench regardless is the score.

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Posted By: JK

"Because the media loves Duke and the Acc. Put a "Utah" on the front of their jerseys and they would have been a 5 seed. It's sickening. Clemson and Duke were way overrated. I hope Arkansas pulls the big upset tomorrow against NC. Letting NC play the first round games in Raleigh and then getting to stay in North Carolina for the next rounds is an absolute crock. Memphis is getting ready to have to go to Houston and probably face Texas and the Tigers are a #1 seed too."


Just saw this one - again, give me a break. As if letting high seeds play in-state is something new. Three years ago, Illinois, the number one team in the country played each of the first two rounds in state and then played the finals in Indianapolis - which is what, a hundred miles from their campus? They still lost. There are no guarantees regardless of where you play. UNC is the number one team in the country, where do you propose they play - Denver?

Sorry if Im piling on here, but whining about other teams getting preferential treatment is just sooooo tired. Play better during the year, get seeded higher, and you dont have to worry about where or who youre playing.

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Posted By: Tim

UNC came into the tournament as the true "#1 seed." With that being said why didn't they get the "4th best #2 seed" in their bracket? They ended up with arguably the best #2 seed in their bracket.

That doesn't sound like preferential treatment to me.

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Posted By: JK

Not only did UNC get the best #2 seed, they got stuck in what most "experts" have called the most difficult bracket. That label has proven itself correct as it's the only region with all top 4 seeds still alive. If UNC gets to the finals, it wont be because they got preferential treatment, it will be because they earned their way there - same is true if its Wash. St., Tenn. or Louisville coming out of the East.

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Posted By: James Feagin

As a die-hard Razorback fan, their being seeded against UNC was self-inflicted. All they had to do was take care of business in the SEC Championship game and they would have avoided UNC with a 5 or 6 seed.

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Posted By: Charles

Jeff , did you know that Crawford Palmer is 1 of only 2 Ivy League basketball players to ever win an Olympic medal ! Can you guess who the other one is ?

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Posted By: David R

Go Cardinal! Harry, are you a Stanford alum? I graduated in '87. Final Four, here we come.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Charles, before I ponder that, I'd like to point out that Palmer did it as part of the French team that won a silver medal, I believe. Off the top of my head, is Bill Bradley the other?

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Posted By: Charles

Jeff , you are correct . Bill Bradley was the other one . I guess I can't stump you on Ivy League basketball trivia !

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

And Bill Bradley's picks for schools were between Princeton and Duke.

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Posted By: JK

nm

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Posted By: James Feagin

If it's any consolation to Razorback fans like Bob and myself, Arkansas did hand UNC their largest margin of defeat in their school's tournament history, 96-73 in 1990. Long live Todd Day, Lee Mayberry and 40 Minutes of Hell.

James

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

Cardinals.........

UL Women Cardinals play North Carolina tomorrow at noon...
UL Men Cardinals play North Carlina tomorrow at 905pm...

Hoping for 2-0

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Posted By: Denny Walsh

Although I'm down in the Pack... I Really Like My Position Here. Louisville's Playin' Like Real Men & "IF" They Run the Table I believe ONLY ONE Other Board Member can beat me
Hey, Hope Is Always Good Right! It's Nice to know
"I'm Still Alive".

Life's Grand,
Denny Walsh

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Posted By: Tim

I had a great run but I'm done.

I have been near the top most of the tournament but I can no longer win. One of the two ahead of me has the same winners from here on out.

If Butler would have won in OT over Tennessee and West Virginia had won in OT last night I would have been good, but I'm sure a lot of people can what if their brackets as well.

Thanks to all that put this together and for letting a new guy like me participate.

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Posted By: Bob

<<I am still doing great. i should be doing well because i spend hours capping games of all sports. I bet on sports for every day of the year. I capped this years tournament for 18 hours. Last year I won 25 k and I only invested 9 hours of capping!>>

Josh, this is why you never talk smack or brag about your tourney picks. Things change so quickly. I show you are now 25th on the Net 54 Board.

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Posted By: Rawn Hill

Ouch, now that has to hurt. I have not watched a college game since Len Bias died and am just behind.

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Posted By: Fred Y

Stephen Curry WAS the best-kept secret in college basketball! What a cool customer he is!

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Posted By: Tim

Curry wanted to go to Va Tech where his father played. According to him they nor any other ACC school ever gave him a call.

Think Curry could have kept Tech off the bubble and gotten them into the dance?

I think his success and Davidson's run is exactly what makes this tournament great.

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Posted By: Josh

I can talk all I want. I made over 50k this year in hoops.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

And how's that talking working out for you?

-Ryan

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Posted By: Josh

Working out well tough guy

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Phil Hellmuth,

Yeah, I'm guessing the talking works about as well for you as the awesome "capping" you're so proud of. I'm especially impressed that you were able to pick 3 of 8 teams still left. And you only spent 18 hours capping it! Maybe you really have earned the right to talk all you want. I mean, even in my bracket, which is the worst bracket I can ever remember picking, I managed to get 5 of the remaining 8.

You're capping skills seem all the more impressive when you consider the fact that you literally spent more time capping this tournament than I spent watching college basketball this entire year.

Additionally, when you look at the net54 leaderboard and realize that our current leader (props to N. Brazil) picked all 8 of the remaining teams and has not talked a word of smack, well I guess I can see why you'd want to keep talking about your mad gambling skills. Bob was exactly right about how quickly things can change, which anyone who has ever had their bracket ruined overnight knows. So you've either been picking perfect brackets every year, or are every bit the amateur your posts make you look like.

Oh, and by the way, out of 59 entries in our group, only 2 of them picked worse than you this last round. I hope you won't mind if I don't take a friendly pool between a bunch of vintage baseball card collectors where no money is involved as seriously as you apparently do.

But if it's working for you, keep talking, big guy.

Like you said, you can talk all you want.

-Ryan

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Posted By: Tim

I'm defintely more knowlegable about handicapping than I am about cards so I will say this.

Josh if you are on that kind of run this year with basketball congratulations.

Ryan you can't judge Josh's entire season of gambling on basketball solely on his NCAA bracket he posted here.

However most solid cappers I know never state the dollar amount they've won unless it's to seek public glory for past undisclosed loses to make themselves feel better or for personal justification for there "hobby."

The guys that get my respect are those that state more winners than losers in a public forum over a given period of time not simply show case or announce a win.

I hope you continue to win Josh. Take down the man in the long term if you can.

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Posted By: Josh

Your an idiot. This is one bracket that means nothing. I bet on sports for a living. You have no idea what you are talking about. You want to keep running your mouth why don't you come to Southern Ca and meet me for a drink? Stay safe and behind a keyboard you internet tough guy . ha

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Posted By: Josh

Tim,

I will be the first one to tell you I lost more than a lot of peoples homes are worth in the midwest this year on Hockey and NBA. i have nothing to prove to some idiot that wanted to start crap with me here. I do this for a living and our network has done well over the last 12 years. i live a very nice life from this. Could care less about some hick that thinks he is a tough guy behind a keyboard.

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Posted By: Tim

Josh,

I don't have any reason to doubt what you say and congratulate you if you can handicap for a living. It's far more difficult than most people think and that as you know is what keeps the guys in Vegas and your home town in business.

Like I said if you can actually do it for a profit kudo's. I've seen a lot of people try and fail.

I've resigned myself to knowing against the average player the house has a huge advatage. It's far better to be the house unless you are one of the few that can win in the long term.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Happy to meet at the National this summer if you'd like. It's in Chicago, which should work well for you, Mr. illini850.

I do have to agree that this one bracket doesn't mean anything. That's why it was so absurd for you to be talking smack. I guess with those great picks from all that capping, you just couldn't hold it all inside and needed to let the world know.

Congrats on your 50k in gambling wins which you publicly announced on a public chat board. Personally, I might not want the IRS involved in my extra $50,000 of income, but I'm sure you're above board and have fully reported and accounted for all of it. The IRS would never consider gathering information from a public chat board, though. So either way, it was probably a smart thing for you to say. I guess you really have mastered this talking thing.

It's awesome that you're so open to the public about your massive gambling income and the opulent lifestyle it affords you. I haven't met many professional gamblers that are so willing to share that kind of information. Your candor is refreshing. Three cheers to the pro!

See you in Chicago. But maybe it shouldn't be for drinks. I don't drink, plus you might not have any money left to buy a beer. But stop by and see me if you need a loan or a shoulder to cry on.

You take care now,

-Ryan

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Posted By: Tim

And another thing I will say in Josh's defense.

Ryan, you can't give a guy that claims to be a handicapper a hard time about picks three or four games deep into a tournament when he had to pick them all from the start.

A true capper picks weighs each game when he knows the opponent each will be facing. When there is an upset in the tournament you don't have the opportunity to go back and reevaluate your pick.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Tim,

Then why talk smack about how great you're doing and how much time you spent capping it? Maybe you didn't read his earlier posts.

-Ryan

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Posted By: Denny Walsh

And As the camera draws away from the Net54 Smack board....
there's one little irishmen who seems to be jumping out of his wagon....



or is he still on the wagon?
But he emerges to say, "I'm StiLL ALiVe, I HaVe LoUiSviLLe ruUnNnNing dA TaBLe yA %*#^@N LAd'zz !!!"

Life Is So Grand,
Denny Walsh

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Posted By: Josh

Ryan,

i will be at the national and i am really looking forward in meeting you. I actually can't wait. I honestly would pay to meet you sooner than that. I am done with this thread. I am pretty sure that you have no clue who you are dealing with. As far as the IRS goes I pay taxes on all my winnings
if you are a professional gambler you must do it the right way and for my occupation I specify gambling.. Maybe your upset and not happy with your life. You are probably overweight and have a cheating wife so you have to start something that you cannot finish.. What a shame we cannot meet earlier though ya know? I was not bragging at all about my capping. i simply stated that I spent hours doing it as i do everyday.

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Posted By: Jim VB

Wow! I came to a baseball card message board and a WWE Smackdown broke out.

(Ryan, give it a break. You don't need to lower yourself to his level. Welcome back. Where you been lately?)

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Posted By: Rhys

This thread reminds me of when LT has Bobby Boucher from the Waterboy come to his football camp and after listening to him rant for a minute says, "that reminds me kids, dont do crack".

Right now LT would say, "remember kids save your money and dont gamble."

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Posted By: Bob

Overweight and a cheating wife?
It is pretty obvious you know nothing about Ryan. Plus he has enough friends on this board that I am sure he isn't losing any sleep over not being your buddy.
I think the whole point here is that in 5 years not one winner of the Net 54 Board contest ever crowed about it or bragged about his handicapping prowess. It is so easy to go from the penthouse to the outhouse in tourney picking. I know I have the Jayhawks to go all the way and if they crash and burn against Davidson, I plummet. Such is life...

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Posted By: Rawn Hill

Wow!! Nuff Ced.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

0-2

Cards gave it a valiant effort, holding North Carolina 20 points below their average win in the tourney and were tied late into the 2nd half but just gave out........

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Posted By: JK

The Cards played a great second half. Im breathing a big sigh of relief.

Regards,

The Josh who doesnt talk smack about his gambling prowless.

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Posted By: Bob

NC has looked unbelievable so far in the tourney. In all the years I have watched or witnessed NCAA basketball tournaments, I have never seen a year when the four number one seeds looked so dominant. I realize Kansas and Memphis still have to prove themselves tomorrow, but the number of blow-out games and the ease in which the 4 #1s are advancing is astounding.