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Old 09-17-2005, 12:55 PM
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Posted By: ItsOnlyGil

This of course would be every offensive catagory: AB, HITS, RUNS, etc.; but mainly - doubles, triples, home runs and stolen bases - in the same year.

Now I would think that several or even more batters had achieved 20 - 2B, 3B, HR + SB in a year, but my data indicates that it has only been accomplished twice!

The first time was by Wildfire Schulte in 1911. And this is commemorated in my collection by his t206 card. But I was thinking that perhaps his t207 card would be a better representation of this accomplishment. Heck, the brown background cards offer a narrative and statistical portrayal of the player; and maybe his gives some indication of this "achievement".

Does anyone have a scan of the rear of a t207 Schulte, which you can share?

And this brings me to the second part of this inquiry. The trivia question: Who is the only other player to have accomplished this "feat".

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Old 09-17-2005, 01:03 PM
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

Willie Mays in 1957

Edited to say...George Brett and Jeff Heath got very close - only a couple more steals for each and they would have done it.

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Old 09-17-2005, 01:16 PM
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

In 1957 Willie Mays had 26 doubles, 20 triples, 35 home runs, and 38 stolen bases....

In 1979 George Brett fell 3 steals short... he was 17 out of 27 stealing bases that year... but then a fellow has fewer chances to steal if he's hitting doubles and triples and big flies.

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How dear to my heart is the old fashioned batter,
who scattered line drives from the spring to the fall,
he does not resemble the up to date batter,
who swings from his heals and then misses the ball.

The up to date batter I'm not very strong for,
he shatters the ozone with all of his might.
And that is the reason I hanker and long for,
Those who doubled to left and tripled to right.

The old fashioned batter,
the eagle-eyed batter,
The thinking-man's batter,
Who tripled to right.

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May George's words live on...

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Old 09-17-2005, 02:36 PM
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Posted By: Andrew Parks

Ryne Sandberg had 36 2B, 19 3B, 19 HR, and 32 SB in 1984.

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Posted By: identify7

Yes friends, you guys are unbelievably good!

To me, the real tear jerker among the "almost wases" in this section of trivia is Buck Freeman. In 1899 he got 21 steals, 25 home runs and 25 triples, but only 19 doubles.

HaHaHahaaa. Im sure that he never realized that he almost accomplished this non-existent milestone. Nor does anyone else (except a few baseball statistic nerds).

I think that Buck was quite happy that he was mistakenly recognized as the 19th century sultan of swat.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

20 across the board - a rare feat.

Is there a list (short) that has players that lead the league in Average, 2B, 3B, HR and RBI all in the same season?

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Posted By: jay behrens

Couldn't find anyone that that has done it, but a lot of players come close, missing in one catagory finishing 2nd in of of them. It almost always HRs where they finished second. PLayers that came close were the usual suspect, Wagner, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, Hornsby and Musial. I didn't know that Musial never won a HR title.

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Posted By: identify7

I guess that I am going to prove my capability for not understanding again here, Judge. But I thought that that statistic only belonged to O'Neil.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Gil, you knew what I was getting at that...

That was a heck of a season for O'Neil. He's another fun OJ card to collect. The interesting point is that he batted 100 points lower the following season and still managed to lead the league in average, again.

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Posted By: identify7

I haven't gotten one of him yet, Judge. It seems that when the one I like comes up, I am short; and when I have some little liquidity, all I see is the crouching pose - which I do not want.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

I've got a couple of the crouching pose O'Neil but I can't seem to locate one with a nice (dark) image in that pose. I did however find a decent one of him batting a few years ago but it wasn't exactly cheap.

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Posted By: identify7

I know sir. But that was no little accomplishment.

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Posted By: identify7

And while we are at it, that Radbourne filler was just a bit too bad for my bid. And yes, he is of interest because he won the most games in a season; but his card to me represents one of the 1884 season which I am commemorating.

In review, that season included both the White Stockings setting the team HR record which was eventually surpassed by the 1927 Yankees, and it included the greatest number (by far) of pitchers with 40+ wins in a season. As well as some other stuff.

So my assembly of cards for this season is including some interesting and difficult to locate (and afford) material. By necessity, various card manufacturers and types are included.

I do not imagine that I will ever complete the assembly of cards commemorating this year. But I am having fun. Look at the year, the cards, when you are inclined.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

My understanding is that one year, I think 1948, Musial finished one HR behind Kiner... and that Musial had a HR early in a game, that ended up rained out. He lost that HR to the rain, and missed out at the triple crown, because he was the league leader in average and RBIs.

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Posted By: identify7

Frank: Kiner won the HR crown 7 years in a row. What a record! Yes, some years he tied and several of the years he didn't hit that many. But he still has that string which is not approached.

Similarly, O'Neil's string is not approached. He won the triple crown and also led in doubles and triple

Edited to add: Musial is one of my favorite players. His is the only personalized autograph which I have (thank you, Stan).

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Cravath was close by leading the league with 6 out of 7 seven years in HRs. But that was at end of the dead ball era. He was third in the year in which the run was broken. Kiner played 10 years and winning (or being tied) the HR title 70% of the time he played is something awesome.

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Posted By: identify7

Really Fred, I knew that Cravath was quite a HR hitter during that period, but I never knew that he was that accomplished. Id better take a closer look at him. Thank you.

And Julie: thanks for presenting that option. For such an unusual accomplishment, an unusual card may be more fitting. Yikes - I wonder how much more this will cost. But those look so good.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Well there is a new kid in town, if you haven't heard yet. A 26 year old center fielder who has never before been in double digits in stolen bases nor triples: Curtis Granderson has joined this unusual group.

For the purposes of my cards, I unite these players with those in the 40/40 club to give the binder page more weight. Heck, its all the 80 club. Or the 420s club or the 240s club. Or really nothing at all.

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

Cobb came close to joining O'Neil several times. 1911 was the closest he led in every category except HRs where he was 2nd. Cobb never hit over 12 HRs in a season but he did lead the league in 1909 (with 9). In 1911 he also led the league in SBs -- I'm pretty sure O'Neill didn't in 1887 (or any other season).

I think the rules were funky in the 1887 season and that accounts somewhat for the gaudy batting averages -- Pete Browning came in second batting over .400 as well.

Also 1884 was the year the Chicago NL team (NKA Cubs) played home games in an odd park where the fence was very short in one corner -- hence the Home Run barage. That was the season that Ned Williamson hit 27 HRs setting the single season record for many years. Williamson, who was considered a very good player throughout his career, never made it into double-digit HRs any other season.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Stats were indeed funky in 1887 as walks were counted as hits. I believe, however, that most current statistical resources compute 1887 BAs by todays rules which would make Oneill's .435 legit. By 1887 rules his BA would be about .490.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

It was not just Williamson in 1884, the entire Chicago team set a team/season HR record that was not equalled until the 1927 Yankees. Seven years earlier, in 1877, Chicago set the still standing team/season record for slugging futility with a team total of zero homers for the season (some short lived Union Association teams also went homerless, but they did not play much of a season)

Also in 1884 they allowed overhand pitching for the first time, and eight pitchers won 40 or more games, 13 had more than 300Ks, with 4 over four hundred strikeouts for the season.

On the original subject, in addition to C.Granderson, Jimmy Rollins is closing the gap. He stands just two triples shy of achieving this "feat" as well. He has 35 doubles, 18 triples, 27 HRs and 35 stolen bases thus far this season.

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