SCD 2004 Standard Catalogue of Baseball Cards

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

--Mine came Friday--cover full of catchers in catcher's gear--just like we helped Lemke decide. Well, Mr. Lemke is certainly full of surprises: OJ Radbournes cost $1800, and Dummy Hoys cost $4,500. Boston Kellys cost more than Chicago Kellys, and Indianapolis Rusies cost less than Major league ones.
For each player, he lists the number of poses in parentheses after the name, and then, in most cases, different prices on 2 or 3 poses. How accurate they are--Lord knows! I haven't seen any Radbournes going for $1800 lately. Ewing is $2,100 and Mack is $8000. Don't want to spoil any more surprises for you--I'm surprised nobody mentioned having received this hefty tome earlier...

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Posted By: david

are spotted ties still listed as being only slightly more vaulable then commons?

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Behel, a spotted tie and the first Jew, probably, in the Majors (Mets?) is $50,000--(Jay, and you who always advertise for Jewish players in BST, hope you have yours!) But here's a dotted tie, Hankinson, only 1 pose listed, for $4500. Anson in uniform is $80,000

Here's a maroon "Boyd" for $1750; another maroon, Crogan: $1750...Frequently, the PlaYERS' LEAGE CARDS (1890, say VALUE UNDETERMINED in large letters...and those commons with determined value are well over $1000. Ed delahanty $13,000. OH: Rusie with Indianapolis is $3500; with N.Y. N.L. $20,000!

Enough--was looking for a real shocker I saw before, but can't find it...

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Posted By: Rich Jacobs

Julie:

Are the prices you are quoting those for NM, or are they for some other grade?

Thanks for the info!

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Lemke always lists the t206 Wagner at $650,000 instead of over a million--because he's pricing UNGRADED cards, and the graded Wagner that cost over a million was a PSA 8.

Whatever that means....

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Posted By: Ted Holden

I got a postcard saying these were out of print and would not be mailed until November. What did I do wrong?

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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

You should be able to order one here:

http://www.collect.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=Krause&category%5Fname=Sports+Bookstore&product%5Fid=SB13

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Posted By: Glen V

Use Amazon - only $28: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873497031/qid=1065483866/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-0174009-7988168?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Yes, you can get them cheap from Amazon. I remember having trouble there with the "out of print" business. You have to type it in in a certain way--but there're only 3 or 4 ways you CAN type it in.

Standard Catalogue of Baseball Cards, 2004, published by SCD. Order: 715-445-2214; 888-457-2873 (that's from Krause)

Back to OJs: Every last Players' League player, common, is $1800.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Amazon: 2004 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

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Posted By: runscott

...just ordered one! I don't think the free shipping was available for the 2003, so I highly recommend jumping on this now. I also would like to point out that while we might not agree with every price in this guide, it is just that - a guide - and every year it is better.

Also, my fear after seeing some of the t205/t206 prices in the 2003 guide was that the market would react and prices would change accordingly, but that did NOT happen - for example, the t206 green portrait Cobb stayed at the same market value it was at prior to the astronomical price published in the guide. So I wouldn't be too concerned about that. Also, OJ cabinets, 1909-11 e-cards, etc., maintained their market value even though the guide had them significantly lower.

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Posted By: runscott

I'm very pleased with the '04 SCBC - Upon spot-checking prices and updates, this year's catl'g has plenty of improvements over last year - the Old Judge breakdown is especially nice, and additional post cards and old cdv sets have been added or expanded upon.

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Posted By: Art M.

While I commend Bob Lemke and Jay Miller for bringing the N172 Old Judge section up to date with variations and additions, I think that re-numbering the entire set every time a new addition is found is not a good idea.
Anybody else with an opinion?
Art M.

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Posted By: Julie

I don't see that it makes much difference. I'm just as fascinated, or greatful, as Scott--but I find some of the changed prices rather mind boggling (as I guess I've made clear).

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Posted By: Joe_G.

They changed the OJ #s !?

I just placed my order, I've got to check it out.

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Posted By: Julie

how many cards there are! I mean, you HAVE to use numbers, which represent the alphabetical order of Old Judges as we know it, but since everyone knows we don't know how many players are actually represented on Old Judges, how much stock can you put in the numbers? Ands what ELSE should Lemke do when I new player shows up but put him in the alphabetical order?

I like the addition of "never played for (city and/or team name)" after so many players, whose cards indicate that they played for city and/or team.

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Posted By: Paul

Overall, I think the 2004 edition is fantastic. But I would be happy to trade my Old Judge Harry Wright for a Kalamazoo Bats Harry Wright. The 2004 edition says the owner of the Kalamazoo Bats card would profit from this deal.

Also, what happened to the W590 cards? Those are the real-photo strip cards from 1925-31 that have been in the SCD book for the past several years. They're suddenly gone. Did someone at SCD hit the "delete" key by mistake, or are they really eliminating sets altogether to keep the size of the book manageable? I can't think of another set that's been entirely dropped.

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Posted By: fkw

Im sure the missing W590 set was a mistake. There were at least 2 new discoveries this past year in the set. The W590 Tris Speaker card was found with "Newark I.L.", and the GC Alexander card was found with "House of David" as the team name. I would pay a large premium if anyone has any of these 2 theyd want to sell. Nice Catalog again. Frank

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Art--How did I get involved in this conversation?

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Posted By: runscott

I don't look up Old Judges by number anyway - the guide lists them aphabetically, so there's no problem. However, for those who do rely on numbers to identify un-numbered objects, it's probably a good idea to stick with an original list of numbers, as Julie has suggested, then add 'a','b','c' as new players are found, squeezing them between existing players. So if player 185 is Ragarm, 186 is Rugrat, and someone named 'Rogodzinski' is discovered, he would be 185-a. You could still use the '1','2','3',etc designations for various player poses, as Mr. Lemke has done in the current catalog.

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Posted By: Art M.

Hi Jay,
In the new SCD 2004 Standard Catalog, page 292, under the heading of 1887-1890 Old Judge (N172) it says:

"Special thanks for the 2003 reformatting of this section goes to Connecticut collector Jay Miller."

Art

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Is there anyone who could send me a photocopy of the Old Judge section? I would love to see what disasters my comments created or how many of my suggestions were accepted.

Jay Miller
4 Tyler Drive
Darien, CT 06820

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

Jay, you're on the contributors' list for a free copy of this edition, the book people are mailing them out as we speak.

As for N172 numbering. I felt the format change with resulting addition and deletion of names warranted a re-numbering into strict alpha order. In the unlikely event any more entirely unknown players come to light, there are 3-4 unassigned numbers in the "system". Ease of utility for the average collector was the goal, and since I've seldom seen anybody buying/selling Old Judge by number, rather than name, it seems like nobody's applecart will be upset.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Bob--Thanks for the comp. I look forward to seeing the final copy. BTW I agree with you about the numbering. I think the vast majority of collectors pay no attention to catalog numbering for cards which do not have numbers on them.

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Posted By: leon

Hello sir......so just how much does one have to contribute to get a comp copy? Maybe a half a dozen pics that ya'll would/are using? best regards

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Posted By: Hankron

The answer is simple, Leon. Bob lives in Packers country and you live in Cowboys country.

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Posted By: TBob

can someone who has one tell me if the caramel cards (E90-1 to E103) have moved in price? The prices for E94s, E97s, E98s, E99s, and E100s have gone through the roof if ebay is any basis, so I was wondering if the guide reflects this.

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Posted By: Glen V

Here's a few:
Series NM/EX/VG
E90 160/ 75/ 45
E91 100/ 50/ 30
E94 475/235/140
E97 600/300/180
E99 825/330/205
E107 2400/1200/725

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Posted By: Robert

This book is just getting too big. Maybe next year Mr. Lemke can make two volumes? Vintage and modern would be nice. It is getting too big to bring into the bathroom. Rob

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Posted By: Julie

are three columns to a page, and the new stuff is 6 columns to a page. Thank you, Mr. Lemke!

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Finally, someone has the courage to state what we've all been thinking: the big book is getting too hefty to take into the men's "reading" room! It's ruining my left elbow. I'm going to "subdivide" the book myself--either that or install a lectern.

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Posted By: runscott

I immediately take the carpet cutter to the modern section, re-taping the vintage minor league section to the back and folding up the index and inserting at the front - very useable. The modern section is still handy for pressing flowers.

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Posted By: leon

Another great guide. Looks like a lot of prices went north and a few went south. If anyone finds any E94 overprints that they want to sell at 2004 "book" price of 25%-50% of a common I will take them all...it does look to have improved a lot though.....now, how to make it small enough for just the "one hand carry" to the library regards all