NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post. Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on Ebay
Pre-WWII Cards
Post WWII Cards
Vintage Memorabilia
Babe Ruth Cards
Ty Cobb Cards
Lou Gehrig Cards
Mickey Mantle Cards
Goudey Cards
Bowman Cards
T205s on Ebay
Tobacco "T" Cards
Caramel "E" Cards
Vintage Baseball Postcards
Football Cards on Ebay
Exhibit Cards
Strip Cards
Baking Cards
Sporting News
Playball Cards on Ebay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-08-2019, 11:44 PM
Ribbens Ribbens is offline
David Ribbens
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 314
Default Jackie Robinson older brother Mack ~ 1936 Olympic sprinter in German set

Recently purchased a nice lot of 1936 Olympic cards including one showing Jackie Robinson's older brother Mack Robinson. Mack finished 2nd place to Jessie Owens in the 200m race. He is pictured on the second step on the diving board along with 11 USA athletes in Berlin.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_0943.jpg (15.1 KB, 182 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_0944.jpg (13.1 KB, 186 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-09-2019, 12:32 PM
irishdenny's Avatar
irishdenny irishdenny is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,206
Default

Dankz David!

One of the Greatest "Slow Told Stories" in United States's History...

All eyes were on Jesse!
Than came His Big Brother...
In a Race that took Place in Germany...
In 1936...
In Front of Hitler!

Jus Awesome!!!
A 1 -2 Finish in a Race, Well... Jus Awesome
__________________
Life's Grand,
Denny Walsh
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-10-2019, 12:04 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

This Reemstma card also exists in color. It is nice that it is one of the large cards from the set.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-10-2019, 07:42 PM
stone193's Avatar
stone193 stone193 is offline
Mike Rothstein
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 158
Default Who knew?

Thanx for posting David.

Didn't know that Jackie's brother was in the '36 Olympics.

I have a color version of the album but Mack was dissed with respect to pics.

Here's a color card of Jesse finishing the 200m race - Mack is no where in sight even tho he came in 2nd - getting the Silver.

Based on what I just read, Mack qualified by beating out the '32 Olympic gold medalist to make the team.

__________________
Mike
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-10-2019, 10:34 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stone193 View Post
Thanx for posting David.

Didn't know that Jackie's brother was in the '36 Olympics.

I have a color version of the album but Mack was dissed with respect to pics.

Here's a color card of Jesse finishing the 200m race - Mack is no where in sight even tho he came in 2nd - getting the Silver.

Based on what I just read, Mack qualified by beating out the '32 Olympic gold medalist to make the team.

Mack Robinson is not dissed in this photo. This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash. It is not the finals of the 200m dash. In heat 12 Owens finished first with a time of 10.3 seconds. Second was Kichizo Sasaki of Japan with a time of 11.0 seconds which qualified him for the second round. Third was Jos de Almeida of Brazil with a time of 11.1 seconds. He did not advance. The other runners in this heat were Dieudonn Devrindt of Belgium and Austin Cassar-Torreggiani of Malta. The card shows left to right Owens, Sasaki and de Almeida. The only other Brazilian to compete in the 100m was Oswaldo Domingues and he did not get past the first round (heat 9). In the quarter finals Owens did run against a Japanese athlete, Takayoshi Yoshioka, in heat two, but since no Brazilian advanced past the first round it could not be the quarter finals.

Owens did not run against any other Brazilians. Jos de Almeida did compete in the 200m, but he ran in heat 1 and did not advance. Owens ran in heat 3.

Additionally, Mack did not beat the 1932 gold medalist in the 200m to make the team. Eddie Tolan, won the gold medal in the 100m and 200m at the 1932 Olympics. By March, 1935 Tolan was competing as a professional when he won the 75yd, 100yd and 220yd events at the World Professional Sprint Championships in Melbourne, Australia. At the 1936 Olympic Track and field trials held at Randall's Island in New York the placings in the 200m were as follows:

1. Jesse Owens
2. Mack Robinson
3. Bob Packard
4. Ralph Metcalfe
5. Foy Draper
6. Harvey Wallender
7. Jack Weiershauser

The first 3 finishers competed in the 200m in Berlin. Packard made it to the quarter finals. Metcalfe won a silver and bronze (100m, 200m) at the 1932 Olympics. He won a silver and gold (100m, 4x100m relay) at the 1936 games. Foy Draper won a gold in the 4x100m relay in Berlin.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep

Last edited by Michael B; 06-11-2019 at 04:22 PM. Reason: To clarify third sentence.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-11-2019, 12:09 PM
Huysmans Huysmans is offline
Br.ent So.bie
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 680
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael B View Post
Mack Robinson is not dissed in this photo. This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash. It is not the finals. In heat 12 Owens finished first with a time of 10.3 seconds. Second was Kichizo Sasaki of Japan with a time of 11.0 seconds which qualified him for the second round. Third was Jos de Almeida of Brazil with a time of 11.1 seconds. He did not advance. The other runners in this heat were Dieudonn Devrindt of Belgium and Austin Cassar-Torreggiani of Malta. The card shows left to right Owens, Sasaki and de Almeida. The only other Brazilian to compete in the 100m was Oswaldo Domingues and he did not get past the first round (heat 9). In the quarter finals Owens did run against a Japanese athlete, Takayoshi Yoshioka, in heat two, but since no Brazilian advanced past the first round it could not be the quarter finals.

Owens did not run against any other Brazilians. Jos de Almeida did compete in the 200m, but he ran in heat 1 and did not advance. Owens ran in heat 3.

Additionally, Mack did not beat the 1932 gold medalist in the 200m to make the team. Eddie Tolan, won the gold medal in the 100m and 200m at the 1932 Olympics. By March, 1935 Tolan was competing as a professional when he won the 75yd, 100yd and 220yd events at the World Professional Sprint Championships in Melbourne, Australia. At the 1936 Olympic Track and field trials held at Randall's Island in New York the placings in the 200m were as follows:

1. Jesse Owens
2. Mack Robinson
3. Bob Packard
4. Ralph Metcalfe
5. Foy Draper
6. Harvey Wallender
7. Jack Weiershauser

The first 3 finishers competed in the 200m in Berlin. Packard made it to the quarter finals. Metcalfe won a silver and bronze (100m, 200m) at the 1932 Olympics. He won a silver and gold (100m, 4x100m relay) at the 1936 games. Foy Draper won a gold in the 4x100m relay in Berlin.
Thanks for stating the actual facts and setting the record straight.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-11-2019, 02:01 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Huysmans View Post
Thanks for stating the actual facts and setting the record straight.
Glad to do it Brent. Reemtsma Cigarettenfabriken created these cards with the intent that they would be glued into the albums. As such the information on the back was not always accurate. They did Olympic albums for 1924, 1928, 1932 and 1936. The first three were single volumes. The 1936 had two volumes, Band 1 and Band 2. Jack Shea, the American double gold medalist in speedskating at the 1932 Olympics is misidentified on the back of a card that shows him. I have an original press photo that is the same image as the card which gives the correct identity.

Life member International Society of Olympic Historians.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep

Last edited by Michael B; 06-11-2019 at 02:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-11-2019, 03:19 PM
stone193's Avatar
stone193 stone193 is offline
Mike Rothstein
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 158
Default Thanx for the info

Quote:
Mack Robinson is not dissed in this photo. This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash. It is not the finals
Thanx for the information.

Would never have known this from the album.

Here's the article where I got the info on his qualification:

__________________
Mike

Last edited by stone193; 06-11-2019 at 03:32 PM. Reason: add scans
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-11-2019, 03:40 PM
stone193's Avatar
stone193 stone193 is offline
Mike Rothstein
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 158
Default 100 or 200

Quote:
This card shows round 1 heat 12 of the 100m dash.
Did you mean 200m dash for this card?
__________________
Mike
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-11-2019, 04:21 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stone193 View Post
Did you mean 200m dash for this card?
No, 100 meters. There were twelve heats in round 1 of the 100m dash. There were only 8 heats in round 1 of the 200m dash. When I wrote my reply the third sentence should have said "It is not the finals of the 200m" rather than "It is not the finals". I could see where that may cause confusion. I just corrected that sentence in my original reply.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep

Last edited by Michael B; 06-11-2019 at 04:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-11-2019, 05:10 PM
stone193's Avatar
stone193 stone193 is offline
Mike Rothstein
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 158
Default Thanx

Thanx for the reply Michael.

I have no knowledge of olympics.

When I saw the thread, it reminded me I had this album that I picked up in a lot of WS programs. Had no idea Robinson had a brother in the olympics.

The only card of the 200m race in my album is the one I posted.



The only info I knew was what was on my scan regarding the trials and Mack.

Appreciate the information.
__________________
Mike
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-12-2019, 02:37 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stone193 View Post
Thanx for the reply Michael.

I have no knowledge of olympics.

When I saw the thread, it reminded me I had this album that I picked up in a lot of WS programs. Had no idea Robinson had a brother in the olympics.

The only card of the 200m race in my album is the one I posted.



The only info I knew was what was on my scan regarding the trials and Mack.

Appreciate the information.
The card you show is from the Mhlen Franck set. Mhlen Franck Kaffee issued these cards. These were a more standard card size and printed on regular cardstock unlike the Reemstma aka Sammelwerk set which was printed on thin paper. The Franck's were probably the first true Olympic only card set and they covered the Winter Olympics in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and the Summer Olympics in Berlin. The set was purportedly 200 cards though no official checklist was issued. The first Olympic basketball card was in this set. It shows an American player (William Wheatley?) making a layup. There are three Jesse Owens' cards in the set - 100m, long jump and the card you have for the 200m. There is also a card of the silver medal winning Canadian Ice Hockey team and at least two cards showing Adolph Hitler.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-12-2019, 07:50 PM
stone193's Avatar
stone193 stone193 is offline
Mike Rothstein
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 158
Default Outdoor basketball

Wow Michael - I didn't see this card when running thru them!

Outdoor basketball!

I looked up the '36 roster but they don't include jersey numbers.

And, on one web, I found a list of who used what numbers in the olympics - unfortunately #12 doesn't go all the way to 1936.

Thanx for all the info.



__________________
Mike
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-12-2019, 10:42 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mh wߥ
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stone193 View Post
Wow Michael - I didn't see this card when running thru them!

Outdoor basketball!

I looked up the '36 roster but they don't include jersey numbers.

And, on one web, I found a list of who used what numbers in the olympics - unfortunately #12 doesn't go all the way to 1936.

Thanx for all the info.



The U.S team at the Olympics was different then it is now. There was an Olympic qualifying tournament. Universal Pictures won, McPherson Oilers finished second and the University of Washington finished third. As the winners, Universal was able to place 7 players on the 14 man roster - Duane Swanson, Carl Knowles, Carl Shy, Sam Balter, Frank Lubin, Art Mollner and Don Piper. McPherson got 6 players - Joe Fortenberry, Jack Ragland, Bill Wheatly, Francis Johnson, Tex Gibbons and Willard Schmidt. The University of Washington got 1 - Ralph Bishop. They decided that the Universal members would get the first 7 numbers and the other players the rest. Additionally, they would alternate games. The first round was a walkover. The second round the Universal players beat Estonia on August 9. They got a bye in the third round. In the quarterfinals McPherson/UWashington players beat the Philippines on August 12. In the semifinals the Universal players beat Mexico August 13. The gold medal game was the McPherson/UWashington players beating Canada August 14. Since the McPherson/UWashington players won the gold medal game they attended the medal ceremony. It appears that only five players were allowed to attend the medal ceremony. Bill Wheatly received the gold medal and laurel wreath on the medal stand. The other players at the ceremony were Jack Ragland, Willard Schmidt, Joe Fortenberry and Ralph Bishop.

All of this information was provided to me in 1998 by Frank Lubin. He wrote a letter to me providing this information and identified all of the players on a photo of the medal ceremony. Lubin is generally considered one of the greatest basketball players before the advent of professional basketball. His parents were born in Lithuania. After the Olympics he would coach the Lithuanian national team (Americans of Lithuanian descent) to the Eurobasket championship in 1937. In 1939 as player/coach of the team they won the championship again. He is considered the grandfather/godfather of Lithuanian basketball. He used the Lithuanian version of his name, Prakas Lubinas, while playing over there.

As noted on the back of the card, this is the game versus the Philippines. As noted above, the McPherson/UWashington players competed in this game as it was the second game played by the U.S.
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep

Last edited by Michael B; 06-13-2019 at 11:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-13-2019, 02:19 PM
Topnotchsy Topnotchsy is offline
Jeff Lazarus
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 572
Default

Here's a signed page from the 1937 Pasadena Junior College yearbook.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Robinson, Mack 1937 Pasadena Autograph.jpg (74.8 KB, 26 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1936 German Olympic baseball and basketball cards Ribbens Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 2 11-05-2018 02:56 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:20 AM.


ebay GSB