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Old 08-11-2018, 10:27 AM
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IMHO, that price is totally absurd when in fact he was really essentially the same player as Trammell--check the OPS+ for both, and if anything, Trammell was superior in the field (I watched him for almost 20 years). Jeter was simply more of a compiler, and had the good fortune of playing for New York.

To each his own, and happy collecting,

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Old 08-11-2018, 10:30 AM
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Donít forget his legendary lineup of chicks he kicked to the curb.
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:41 AM
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The former assertion is correct, and the latter proposition totally absurd IMHO. As stated, check the OPS+, which alone has a 90+ % correlation to runs created. He was essentially Allan Trammell offensively, just not quite as good a fielder.

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The people paying for that card may not have grown up when trammel was playing....its all in the timing...plus all of the playoffs/world series ..im sure when george foster was playing he was considered a star but now hes a common

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Old 08-11-2018, 11:00 AM
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We're counting that $99k sale legit? Oh, okay. Guess I missed that memo. Carry on.

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Old 08-11-2018, 11:04 AM
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Arthur for what itís worth the winning bidder did claim it and PWCC said it was paid for in the SI story.

That said I think it had some very questionable bidding towards the end so hard to say it could routinely sell for that price.
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I think there is one in an auction house at 62k plus juice
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:40 AM
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One from 2008 when it was a Pop 9 and the recent sale.

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Old 08-11-2018, 11:57 AM
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Arthur for what it’s worth the winning bidder did claim it and PWCC said it was paid for in the SI story.

That said I think it had some very questionable bidding towards the end so hard to say it could routinely sell for that price.
I am SHOCKED!! At the bidding that is.
Not that the winning bidder bid that much or paid, it seems there are quite a few guys who can be persuaded to part with more of their money for a particular card than a more seasoned collector would view as rational.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:32 PM
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IMHO, that price is totally absurd when in fact he was really essentially the same player as Trammell--check the OPS+ for both, and if anything, Trammell was superior in the field (I watched him for almost 20 years). Jeter was simply more of a compiler, and had the good fortune of playing for New York.

To each his own, and happy collecting,

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But it is impossible to separate Jeter being the face of the most famous team in American sports for 20 years. The 52T Mantle would not be the second or third most important card in the hobby if Mickey Mantle had spent 14 years playing in Kansas City.
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The former assertion is correct, and the latter proposition totally absurd IMHO. As stated, check the OPS+, which alone has a 90+ % correlation to runs created. He was essentially Allan Trammell offensively, just not quite as good a fielder.

Highest regards,

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Jeter has a career oWAR of 96.3, 20th all time. That is higher than Jimmie Foxx, Mike Schmidt, Albert Pujols and Ken Gfiffey Jr. Alan Trammell has a career oWAR of 63, 83rd all time right between Bernie Williams and Larry Walker. People remember the offense and don't really care about defense. They care about championships, which Jeter leads 5 to 1. They care about his postseason records, including most hits, total bases and runs scored. They care about milestones like 3000 hits and being 6th all time in hits. That is why Jeter will be a 1st ballot HOFer with one of the highest vote % ever and Trammell couldn't get 75% of the vote from the baseball writers.
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