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Old 08-14-2018, 07:34 AM
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With respect to the whole Jeter, Trammell thing. Trammell was really good. Jeter was better. That said, Jeter gets more pop than he deserves (Yankee effect, etc.). He was no Ted Williams.

With respect to the card prices, I think it is all sorts of silly and that lends itself to a possible fall. I have Jeter SP in a bvg 8.5 which is about $250. The “subtle difference” in my card and a 10 justifies a 400x increase when if you broke the cases there is a decent chance they could both wind up a “9” is a bit hard to swallow. However, the Jeter example is probably no more ridiculous than any other modern “10” hysteria. 1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore is $4,000 in a 10 and $12 in an 8. There are 54 “rare” 10s compared to over a thousand 8s. So if I have a 10 and you have an 8, throwing in a 1939 Ted Williams rookie in let’s say a 5 and a 1939 Dimaggio in a 5 evens out the deal? That is the price difference because your Johnny Moore card has a tiny bit of wear on one corner that is “easily detectable” when you look at it under a magnifying glass?

That’s my definition of silly.
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Old 08-14-2018, 08:20 AM
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Haven't there been multiple PSA 10s to come up for sale since the $99k? And haven't none of them even sniffed $70k? I'm not alone here, right? Other people smell what I'm stepping in, right? I mean, it's kind of laying out there like a stale fart.

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Old 08-14-2018, 08:52 AM
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With respect to the whole Jeter, Trammell thing. Trammell was really good. Jeter was better. That said, Jeter gets more pop than he deserves (Yankee effect, etc.). He was no Ted Williams.

With respect to the card prices, I think it is all sorts of silly and that lends itself to a possible fall. I have Jeter SP in a bvg 8.5 which is about $250. The “subtle difference” in my card and a 10 justifies a 400x increase when if you broke the cases there is a decent chance they could both wind up a “9” is a bit hard to swallow. However, the Jeter example is probably no more ridiculous than any other modern “10” hysteria. 1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore is $4,000 in a 10 and $12 in an 8. There are 54 “rare” 10s compared to over a thousand 8s. So if I have a 10 and you have an 8, throwing in a 1939 Ted Williams rookie in let’s say a 5 and a 1939 Dimaggio in a 5 evens out the deal? That is the price difference because your Johnny Moore card has a tiny bit of wear on one corner that is “easily detectable” when you look at it under a magnifying glass?

That’s my definition of silly.
The artificial creation of a gem mint grade, and the set registry, were strokes of genius. How well PSA understood the egos of collectors with money. To you and to me, it's absurd, of course. Here is my inferior Jeter which cost $300 or maybe even less not all that long ago.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:40 AM
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I've changed my mind. The .5 grade difference is really really meaningful and I am highly embarrassed to display my "8" corners subgrade card on this fine forum. Not only is the price difference totally justified, but my willingness to put up with sloppy corners probably speaks to my worth as a human being and I have to thank Beckett for pointing out this flaw in my character. If I try to be better, perhaps the net54 community will forgive me.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:53 AM
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While still deeply humiliated by my 8.5, I will point out that I think my 9.5 centering is better than your 9.5 centering. I think my centering is really like a 9.57 while yours is really like a 9.46 and they just rounded up. I hoping that this will be a point of reflection for you Peter on your standards. You can't always count on the 22 year old kid at Beckett cutting you a break.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:19 AM
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I would be ashamed to own that card.
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The difference between Jeter and Trammell is a lot. That is like saying Ralph Kiner and Jeff Bagwell were just as good of hitters as Willie Mays and Hank Aaron. They were not, they were ~5% worse and played few years in the majors. The ability to play at a high level for a long time is better than playing at a lower level for a shorter time.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:13 PM
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Haven't there been multiple PSA 10s to come up for sale since the $99k? And haven't none of them even sniffed $70k? I'm not alone here, right? Other people smell what I'm stepping in, right? I mean, it's kind of laying out there like a stale fart.

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The pic of the example that went for 76k was very recent. Still a far cry from 99k.

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Well this made me pull my sp jeter rookies out of the common box, next step get around to getting them graded.
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