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View Poll Results: Which set is better to collect next? (PSA 4 or 5)
1948-49 Leaf 12 19.05%
1952 Topps 30 47.62%
Both are great. Doesn't matter. 21 33.33%
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Old 09-24-2018, 01:37 PM
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I believe the market still considers Leaf as a rookie card, no?
48 Leaf Ted William's a RC? I would assume no.
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48 Leaf Ted William's a RC? I would assume no.
LOL. No he was referring to Musial.
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LOL. No he was referring to Musial.
That makes sense. I have considered the leaf Musial a RC and believe most of the hobby does as well.
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I voted for "doesn't matter" I like both sets for different reasons.


There are certainly fewer Leaf cards, so as someone already pointed out, not as many commons to buy.

Now if you get into varieties, Leaf is loaded with them. probably 4-5 versions of each of the regular cards. I haven't checked for them in the SPs, but Leaf was pretty* sloppy, so one or two on each wouldn't be a surprise.


Of course, the Topps then has 2 Mantles, 2 of all the low numbers, and a bunch more. Their sloppiness was just more subtle.



*"Pretty " sloppy = they apparently had no quality control at all. And the guys making the art into plates must have been totally hammered.
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I believe the market still considers Leaf as a rookie card, no?
Does the market still consider the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays cards rookies even though they had 1951 Bowman cards? I remember people calling 1987 Topps Mark Mcgwire and Jose Canseco cards rookies too.
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Does the market still consider the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays cards rookies even though they had 1951 Bowman cards? I remember people calling 1987 Topps Mark Mcgwire and Jose Canseco cards rookies too.
No, it doesn't, to my knowledge. But it's a different question, I am not arguing right or wrong, just asking what the market's view of it is and I think most people still consider Leaf to be a 1948 or 48-49 issue.

I rest my case.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-S...EAAOSwTGVbo~Sr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-S...cAAOSwEDtblJc6

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-4...ss!02465!US!-1

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No, it doesn't, to my knowledge. But it's a different question, I am not arguing right or wrong, just asking what the market's view of it is and I think most people still consider Leaf to be a 1948 or 48-49 issue.

I rest my case.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-S...EAAOSwTGVbo~Sr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-S...cAAOSwEDtblJc6

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-4...ss!02465!US!-1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-LEAF-G...0AAOSwlGxZmjar


Well Peter, most people are absolutely WRONG.....if they "consider Leaf to be a 1948 or 48-49 issue."

The 1949 LEAF BB cards are strictly a 1949 issue. I can write pages proving this fact here; however, I refer you (and any other doubters here) to my OLD CARDBOARD (Issue #9)
article (8 pages) which provides a history of the 1949 LEAF BB set.

Which of these 2 sets is easier ? While the 1952 TOPPS set comprises of 407 subjects (4 times as many cards as the 1949 LEAF), the TOPPS set is easier. The 2nd series (so-called
Short Prints) of 49 subjects (including Paige) of the LEAF set are extremely difficult to find. And of course they are quite expensive ($400 - 500 for commons).



1st Series (issued Spring 1949) ... 2nd Series (issued Summer 1949)
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Incidentally guys,
The true 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner, Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, and Bobby Thomson were issued in the 1947 BOND BREAD set (48 cards).
These are my very first BB cards, which I collected as a very young dude.





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Ted, to your knowledge how did people get it so wrong then? It's not like this is ancient history or anything. Who started designating them as 1948 and why didn't someone immediately correct it as whenever it happened, surely there were many people who knew better?
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Some cards show a copyright of 1948 and some show 1949. I just did a quick search on ebay and read backs of 5 or 6 cards (far short of the complete set) and they reference stats from the 1948 season. Which would imply these would actually be, as Ted suggests, a 1949 issue. Gonna go read the article he wrote so I can learn more.
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To do a full Leaf set would cover all the variations and the SP's. The latter will eat up your wallet if you can find them and find them in better grades. The '52T, including the high series are more common, pricey, yes, but more common to find than the Leaf SP's.
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