Ted Williams Autograph Authentication Help

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I hope you can get a refund. If you paid with a credit card via PayPal, then there is hope. How long ago did you make the purchase on Ebay?

Yesterday. It may be really easy if the ball hasn't shipped yet. Another question, assuming I'm able to get a refund, what in your opinion, is a fair price for a Cal Ripken ball? I've seen the prices all over the place.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by TyrusRCobb

Yesterday. It may be really easy if the ball hasn't shipped yet. Another question, assuming I'm able to get a refund, what in your opinion, is a fair price for a Cal Ripken ball? I've seen the prices all over the place.

You should have no problem getting a refund. Contact the seller immediately and politely request a refund. If he is adamant about it being authentic, send him a link to this thread and the ballpoint pen issue.

The fact that the seller was willing to sell an authentic Ted Williams autographed baseball dated 1941 for only $150.00 should have also raised a red flag.

[JimStinson]

In answer to your question have sold maybe 50 Cobb signatures over the years in fact the flyer that the Cobb museum hands out quotes a signature study I did on Cobb as well as the flagrant fouls leveled against Cobb as a person. Its called "Ty Cobb, Peach or Pariah", almost ALL of the stuff they invented was by a LOSER author named Al Stump , which they based the movie on. Believe it or not Cobb was not a bad guy , highly regarded by his team mates and players when he was a manager (except for maybe Sam Crawford who was a bit of an egotist himself), he contributed to numerous humanitarian causes and helped make many of his team mates RICH by convincing them to invest in a new company called "Coca-Cola"
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[JimStinson]

It appears I have been Plagiarized based on my wiki search. Thank you as least the truth is out................
In 2010, an article by William R. "Ron" Cobb (no relation to Ty) in The National Pastime, official publication of the Society for American Baseball Research, accused Al Stump of extensive forgeries of Cobb-related documents and diaries and even of having falsely claimed to possess a shotgun used by Cobb's mother to kill his father (in a well-known incident officially ascribed to her having mistaken him for an intruder). The shotgun later came into the hands of noted memorabilia collector Barry Halper, but in reality Cobb's father had been killed by a pistol. The article further accused Stump of numerous false statements about Cobb in his last years, most of which were sensationalistic in nature and intended to cast Cobb in an unflattering light

[TyrusRCobb]

Jim, what a fantastic feeling it must be to have such things pass through your fingers. I've read a couple of Cobb bios. I thought the movie was criminal. Funny you should mention the Stump book. I just started reading it last week as I've heard so much about the errors and liberties Stump took in writing the book. I've been having fun trying to fact checking Stump against what we now know to be the truth about Cobb.

One more question regarding the fake Williams signature: Other than the obvious ballpoint pen use, what tells are in the signature itself that point to it being a fake?

[shelly]

Sorry for not answering you quicker. I just will say that Chris and Jim gave you a complete and I must say perfect answers. I would like to know what you where looking at when you said they look the same? That is one horrible autograph.

[JimStinson]

Thank you Shelly, My friend this is done deal , if you would like to keep searching for clues do so. You have been well advised if you choose to ignore the advice do so , its a free country
best wishes in your collecting pusuits
J.

[TyrusRCobb]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Thank you Shelly, My friend this is done deal , if you would like to keep searching for clues do so. You have been well advised if you choose to ignore the advice do so , its a free country
best wishes in your collecting pusuits
J.

Jim, please don't misunderstand my last post. I am, after all of the great answers I've received in the forum, absolutely convinced that the signature is a fake.

I'm only trying to learn the best way to go about confirming signatures in general. I completely agree that the Williams fake is "a done deal." I'm simply attempting to learn as much as I can about collecting from all of you.