Misprint Caramel cards

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Posted By: leon

I picked this up off of our BST pages recently. I haven't seen too many caramel backs, besides the Crofts Cocoa cards and the completely different backed cards, that are miscut like this. Anyone else have any ...thoughts ?? (It's great to talk about cards again !!)

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Posted By: JK

I dont have any, but I think its better described as a misprint rather than a miscut. The front is cut accurately which to me means that the printing on the reverse was not lined up correctly. Of course, I may be stating the obvious here.

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Posted By: Bill K

All I know Leon is that I was pi$$ed that I didn't get a shot at it! I think I missed out by a few minutes. Nice grab at a great price. I too haven't seen many mis-cut/misprinted caramel cards. It's strange since there are so many tobacco examples.

Besides the half n' half Nadja does anyone else have examples?

Bill

My personal collection - http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/

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Posted By: leon

I agree JK....I should have said misprint and not miscut...I will amend the title of the thread...but the question remains the same .

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Posted By: steve f

A friday afternoon sheet. Another case of an apprentice sucking down lukewarm Pabst behind the lithograph machinery.

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Posted By: dennis

what makes this unique is that there aren't many of this type of misprint around. very few pre war this badly misprinted. i wonder was the quality control higher, were these tossed at time of production? or were they tossed by the consumer? i know when i was a kid any miscut or misprint card was thrown away.(by me)

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Posted By: Scott M.

Leon,

Heres a classic Crofts Cocoa miscut...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160057304844&rd=1&rd=1

Would love to own this one but have just been spending too much elsewhere lately.

I don't think anyone will mind me "outing" this auction giving its a BIN and has a healthy price tag.

Scott

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Posted By: dennis

scott saw that one too and was going to post it also with the same logic.

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Posted By: Paul Kaufman

Here's another one......the front is well centered. I haven't seen many.

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Posted By: Jason

How tough or rare are blank back caramels like from e90-1 or e92 DOckmnans? Also what kind of premium would these bring?

Jason

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Posted By: Paul Kaufman

I have never personally encountered any blank back E90-1's. The blank back E92's are around. You will see blank back E92's mis-identified as E90-1's by grading companies.

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Posted By: leon

Of course there have been a small hand full of E93 sheets sold recently and quite a few singles on ebay. My educated guess is that someone got a hold of a few sheets and cut them up, sans backs. I've been told where there's a few sometimes there's a few more....so we'll see if anymore come out. (Good Goudey thread Josh)..... best regards

edited to be more specific

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

LEON

That's a "sexy" E90-2 you have there......I have seen E90-1 mis-cuts, just like Paul's;
however, this is the first E90-2 card.

You said it right....it is nice to be "show and telling" cards again.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: leon

Thanks...I think it could be a PSA 8 with a light cleaning . Maybe I will need my tractor to spoon out the creases though. I am going to micro-dermabrasion (sp?) the corners too. Right down to the nubs. It might have to be a "PSA 8 MC" after that though.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

If I recall correctly......you have a Kubota tractor.....that's really a "Hi-Tech" machine.
So, you can improve this card by "Kubota-izing" it. That's what I call "state-of-the-art"
restoration.

Do you think it will then pass muster with PSA ?

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Posted By: JimB

I'll post a scan of my E93 Ghost of M. Brown card when I get home. I don't have the scan on my office computer.
JimB

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Posted By: Bruce

Here is an e98 misprint back.



Edited to note that the front is centered.

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Posted By: Jason

How rare are blank back E92s and how much premium do they bring?

Jason

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Posted By: robert a

Jason,

Blank backed e92s are tricky in my opinion.

There are two different kinds of blank backs. Those that are supposed to be blank like:

E103, E104 (without nadja), E107....

and those that are printer's scrap.

The printer's scrap from issues that are not supposed to have blank backs usually demand a modest (like t207) to large (like t206) premium.

E92 seems to fit the profile of a set that was purposely printed with blank backs.

By the way, nice card Leon. That's the first e90-2 I've seen with a misaligned back and you beat me to it!

Rob

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Posted By: JimB

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Posted By: S Gross

E79 Phila. Caramel 27 Scrappers have Black backs, but there are a few Red backs out there.
Probably just a "bad" day at the print shop --

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Posted By: Scot York

I've only seen two of these E210 cards like this one. The other card was a Walter Johnson.

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Posted By: Mark

I have a E92 Bemis/Blank back, E92 Kleinow/Menagerie Back and a E90-3 Blackburne badly off-set front; probably printer's scrap.

Although, not an E card, I have a T207 Daniels that is badly off-set on front that has his glove and hat in the foreground.


Mark