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Old 03-17-2019, 02:26 PM
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Default Future value of Jeter cards after HOF induction

Would one consider the value of Derek Jeter cards (esp. rc's and tougher minor league cards) to jump in value much more than where they are now after his induction? Just curious as it seems his cards are peaking right now. Let me know your thoughts..
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I'd assume both supply and demand would rise, if that helps!
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Pump and Dump will most likely happen. I do not believe the dust will settle
behind the line of scrimmage however. Biggest question is how big will the bubble get?
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It's self evident he will make the HOF probably unanimously so why would they jump if that's already priced in?
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Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.
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Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.
This is the trend I have noticed for the last 20 years. In some cases it is the only time you can sell their cards is when they are inducted into the HOF.
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Exactly. Look at Mariano. His stuff was super hot in January when it was announced that he was the first unanimous inductee. Since then the news has subsided as has demand. There may be a bump around induction time.

I wouldn’t plan on Jeter stuff skyrocketing in value because of his induction. There will be a large amount of interest when the announcement is made. The trick to Jeter is that he’s still active and there is an upside and a downside. Since his involvement with the Marlins - his stock has actually fallen for the first time in his career. If he can put a winning team on the field his stuff will go up. A ws win would elevate him to a new level.

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Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.
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Man, Jeter prices are absolutely bonkers right now. PSA 8 SP rookies have almost doubled in price since November.
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tell me about it, wish I kept my 8.5 and not sold it 5 years ago !
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Respectfully, all of the above theories don't really hold water, as there's been a robust, unexplainable rise in his cards over the last few months that aren't tied to retirement, death, HOF induction or coaching. I think the demand for his cards is actually outweighing the supply (and as we know there's a huge supply), so that speaks volumes.

I believe there'll be higher prices yet to come, especially in 2020.
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Higher for a time will come back down on the easiest stuff but will remain high on the better stuf. some (of the better stuff) may slightly dip (in time after the initial rise) but rebound.

I think it is stupid but will probably happen are people that thick they think he isn't getting in? Do they not think he already has a premium? Honestly to me he is the most overrated player of all-time but he has the demand and thats what matters not what i think about him but what those in the market feel.
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Glyn, 6th on the all time hits list and 5 rings is overrated?
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Glyn, 6th on the all time hits list and 5 rings is overrated?
Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasn’t the best player on his own team.
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Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasn’t the best player on his own team.
But that's the thing -- the best player on his team for much of his career was a despised and disgraced superstar with far superior talent. Jeter was the perfect foil, and profited tremendously by the comparison to ARod I believe in the eyes of fans.
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All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.

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10th SS in WAR per Baseball Reference. Wagner 130.8 Jeter 72.4. Let's not get too carried away invoking Wagner as a point of reference. Great player yes but his hobby standing far outstrips his pure baseball value IMO. Still, for all the reasons discussed, understandable. An easy hero in an age of users and jerks.
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Peter- the point of reference to Wagner was a simple fact, that Jeter had more hits than him, was all.
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Peter- the point of reference to Wagner was a simple fact, that Jeter had more hits than him, was all.
Mike OK but it seems you assign importance to the fact. Adrian Beltre had more hits than Babe Ruth too.

Let's try it this way, if you could only pick one of the two players for your team, who would you choose, Jeter or ARod? Jeter or Miggy Cabrera? Jeter or Griffey? Jeter or Ripken?
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Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasn’t the best player on his own team.
This is an interesting point. Is Jeter the greatest player to never win an MVP? Manny Ramirez probably should've won one in the mid-late 90s but that never happened.

Jeter's '99 and '06 seasons were certainly MVP worthy. Falling 2nd behind Morneau in 2006 was certainly a surprise.
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This is an interesting point. Is Jeter the greatest player to never win an MVP? Manny Ramirez probably should've won one in the mid-late 90s but that never happened.

Jeter's '99 and '06 seasons were certainly MVP worthy. Falling 2nd behind Morneau in 2006 was certainly a surprise.
He is probably top 5 of the non-MVP winners but I'd take Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews an Wade Boggs over Jeter. He is right there in that next group of guys for me with Tony Gwynn, Eddie Murray, Manny Ramirez, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, Al Simmons, etc.
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All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.
I think that’s the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.
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I think that’s the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.
Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.
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Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.
Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.
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Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.
He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.
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He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.
Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.
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Adam, clearly we will never convince each other that the other person is right. So, again, let's respectfully agree to disagree.

I don't think people compare Jeter to Ruth or Mantle's career accomplishments or stats, BUT I think most baseball fans (especially knowledgable of Yankee history), have him as last generation's Yankee superstar, who completes the chain chronologically...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, Reggie, Mattingly...and Jeter.

I still think people here (for an unknown reason) are downplaying the fact he is 6th on the all-time hits list (that's an enormous feat), as well as being a major contributor to 5 championships. When I look at him, I don't just look at stats on paper...there's many intangibles.
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Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

Lol. That's kind of funny!
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He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.
Just to be clear, I said his stats and career most closely resemble Paul Molitor. I agree that his level of fame is the same as the elite players in baseball history even though the performance isn’t there. Like I said, he had a great, 1st ballot HOF career. But he’s not one of the 5 greatest Yankees.

That being said, it is much better to be overrated than underrated.
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He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.
Jordan is number 1 but I would put Tiger as a close number 2
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Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.
That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesn’t drink alcohol.
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That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesn’t drink alcohol.
Interesting, was not aware of that.
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Is that true Rhett? Interesting for sure.

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Ridiculous prices on the Jeter SP last night, via PWCC eBay auctions.

PSA 9 = $7000
SGC 9 = $4200
SGC 9.5 = $8700

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Ridiculous prices on the Jeter SP last night, via PWCC eBay auctions.

PSA 9 = $7000
SGC 9 = $4200
SGC 9.5 = $8700
The PSA 10 that sold last year for just under a 100 g's, via PWCC, has been removed for some reason?
Could be back up now as they claimed, uncoincidentally, that they were doing some upgrades to their inventory lists/computer?
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