Do you care much about today's NFL?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Figgity fuk, fuk and triple fuk the NFL...Shit is a straight up soap opera and they got dudes roped in like a mo fo...

Criminals hailed as gods, over sexaulized females advertised directly to our eyeballs, poisons peddled directly to our youth in 30 second increments, blatant blind patriotism conditioning the weak through every screen, stadiums burden cities, fans fight and kill each other, same shit, different year, different name.

And quite frankly I don't need to watch stage show monkeys do 3 pirouettes, 2 booty shakes and an arm extension every time they get a first down...

NFL is beneath me. 6ish games in 3 years, none this year and just committed to not watching the Super Bowl today...That's the biggest farce of it all...

LOL. I can't stand it either. I chastise my wife when she watches it. I hope it dies a sudden death but know it won't. Every single player that kneels during the National Anthem should have been permanently banned immediately. Let them get a job where they have to use their intelligence. My guess is most would stay unemployed. When I set up at the Philly Show I asked a few friends about the situation. They mostly felt the same way, but then they were veterans too. I honestly don't know why or how anyone watches those thugs any longer.

[cfhofer]

Great topic!

Yes, the current state of the NFL had a direct effect on my football collecting. For the last several years I have exclusively collected 19th century Ivy League football memorabilia. As many know, American Football began on those exclusive college campuses. The vast majority of student athletes played the game back then just to represent their alma mater. A robust and brawny body became an important part of the masculine ideal then and football exemplified this trait. The best athletes were also honorable men, who went on to become soldiers, doctors, lawyers, clergymen, congressmen and even President of the United States. These are the athletes worthy of my recognition and collecting focus. Football players today have nothing in common with those early pioneers.

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Every single player that kneels during the National Anthem should have been permanently banned immediately. Let them get a job where they have to use their intelligence.

Although, I used Leon's quote to start this off, this ain't directed at him. This for everyone's mind. hahah

The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The military pays the NFL to pump all that patriotic bullshit down the drones watching. Human drones, not the drones we as a country send to kill innocent families.

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country and it is disgusting...It is sickening...

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country. Hmmm...

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

[jefferyepayne]

Well, I think this thread has officially gone off the rails. Understand all points of view but would suggest we keep away from the politics and focus on leatherheads!

jeff

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Well, I think this thread has officially gone off the rails. Understand all points of view but would suggest we keep away from the politics and focus on leatherheads!

jeff

Jeff, I agree. I indicated my wish for this not to happen in my original post. This is my happy place, let's not muck it up!

So, to take this thread back to its original intent, it looks like the general consensus is that most football card/memorabilia collectors do not take today's NFL much into account as they collect. This is what I suspected, but it has been insightful reading the responses thus far. The history of the game and basic love of collecting it are paramount. For me, it is as simple as loving to reminisce about old players, old uniforms, and the old stadiums in the background of the cards. As I have mentioned in past threads, 60s football satisfies my completionist gene, as those sets are pretty attainable for me. It must have been an exciting era! Someday, I will probably work on some 50s sets. Either way, my feelings toward what happens in today's NFL doesn't effect my football collecting. I guess if anything, it makes me draw closer to the old stuff. Jeff, I am not in the leather helmet era yet, but maybe someday!

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[Hot Springs Bathers]

Robert it is a great thread and I think a lot of us think about this stuff all the time. I thought about abandoning football collecting but I took a step back and enjoy the teams of my youth which was much earlier than yours and keep going.

I still love the college game a bit more than the NFL even in a collecting sense because in the 50's and the 60's the Razorbacks seemed more real to me than the Packers and were in our papers each day. By 1962 I had discovered the NFL and AFL. My first pro game was the Chargers and the Oilers in Little Rock in 1964.

As far as what goes on today, I believe the college game is just as messy as the NFL. I've often said if you don't think your school is cheating think again.

Collecting is for fun and while engaging some people (person) on this forum might seem appropriate, ignoring them and their project seems more appropriate. Hope to see you again soon.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Robert it is a great thread and I think a lot of us think about this stuff all the time. I thought about abandoning football collecting but I took a step back and enjoy the teams of my youth which was much earlier than yours and keep going.

I still love the college game a bit more than the NFL even in a collecting sense because in the 50's and the 60's the Razorbacks seemed more real to me than the Packers and were in our papers each day. By 1962 I had discovered the NFL and AFL. My first pro game was the Chargers and the Oilers in Little Rock in 1964.

As far as what goes on today, I believe the college game is just as messy as the NFL. I've often said if you don't think your school is cheating think again.

Collecting is for fun and while engaging some people (person) on this forum might seem appropriate, ignoring them and their project seems more appropriate. Hope to see you again soon.

I agree with you on many levels! Woo Pig Sooie!

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[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

I agree with you on many levels! Woo Pig Sooie!

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Did you guys watch the A Football Life on Jerry Jones? Thought it was well done and interesting to see the ebbs and flows of his relationship with fellow Razorback Jimmy Johnson.

jeff

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Collecting is for fun and while engaging some people (person) on this forum might seem appropriate, ignoring them and their project seems more appropriate.

1. Addressing me is not ignoring (me). I don't give a shit if you look at my site or not...

2. I am sure nobody wants to engage in a thought provoking discussion on how we could actually change something...Most of you probably watch the drive by media and actually think you are informed.

Keep supporting a murder flag...Blind patriotism is leading to our country being stolen right from under us...

Keep being ultra petty and getting bent out of shape for any little thing. It is comical to me...

Guess this dude lives by the quote... hahahahaha

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

I'd love to see your site K. Mitchell. How do I access it?

jeff

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I'd love to see your site K. Mitchell. How do I access it?

jeff

I have a thread floating around on here with all the links...But I will throw it on this one as well...

www.CardsFromTheAttic.Com

[Leon]

A lot of what you said here, I think is total BS.
Last time I checked, when you lose a war that you started (Palestinians) you don't get to pick your spot any longer. That is because you lost. Time to move on LOL......BTW Pro Football still sucks bad. College and HS football are fun to watch.

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

Although, I used Leon's quote to start this off, this ain't directed at him. This for everyone's mind. hahah

The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The military pays the NFL to pump all that patriotic bullshit down the drones watching. Human drones, not the drones we as a country send to kill innocent families.

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country and it is disgusting...It is sickening...

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country. Hmmm...

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

Damn, I didn't think I was going to piss you guys off till later tonight, when I posted a link to my new website that throws a nice shot at this forum. All in good fun of course. hahahahahahahhahah

[kvnkvnkvn]

Originally Posted by Leon

A lot of what you said here, I think is total BS.

I was leaving this thread alone, and quite frankly staying away from this museum for the most part...

But since Leon needs a little explanation, and obviously wants to get some mischief going, I guess I'm game. hahahah

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The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The US has killed many innocent people. That is a fact. I am also saying the flag is political, and anything political should not be involved with sporting events...

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country.

This is absolutely fact. Look how much money the military spends on advertisements and special events at these games.

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

I guess this could be debated, but come on. When corporations end up on both sides of a war, something is fishy...

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country.

Opinion right now, but don't be surprised in 20 years when this turns out to be true....

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

This is an absolute fact. We definitely trained Bin Laden.

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

This is a sticky situation here. I would refer to Abby Martins reporting on this situation. Some really good insight from her. I just don't like the amount of money we provide to Israel every year. Plus, it is a fact that there is tons on natural gas over there...

You guys can think what you want. But, if the only source of your information is coming from mainstream media outlets, including the web, newspapers and television, you are being misinformed immensely. The mainstream media cannot be trusted. That is a fact.

[toppsman]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

... You guys can think what you want. But, if the only source of your information is coming from mainstream media outlets, including the web, newspapers and television, you are being misinformed immensely. The mainstream media cannot be trusted. That is a fact.

I don't agree with many opinions in this thread, many I do, I just don't know that I want to argue them here, but I strongly agree with this quoted part.

Corporations want to lead you by the nose, and media is just another product and method to increase the bottom line. There was a Fairness Doctrine, but it's time probably passed with the decline of the dominance of broadcast TV.

It takes an effort to be informed in a pluralistic democracy such as we have in today's world. Now there seems to a problem of filtering, rather than availability of news and opinion.

I recommend Free Speech TV (FSTV). Because I like diversity I wish it was bit more influential and larger as most have never heard of it.

Even PBS is somewhat influenced by big money (Koch Bros.) Read Dark Money by Jane Mayer for more on that if desired (another tangent).

And I live and breathe college and pro football, old and new (I liked ESPN Classic Sport's old grainy tape of muddy fields and old building of the sixties even) Who can forget John Facenda's voice, for example?

Netflix for me has been for summer after basketball, and before football starts.

[BigRedOne]

Originally Posted by kvnkvnkvn

I was leaving this thread alone, and quite frankly staying away from this museum for the most part...

But since Leon needs a little explanation, and obviously wants to get some mischief going, I guess I'm game. hahahah

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The National Anthem shouldn't even be played at sporting events. The U.S. flag represents the death of millions of people at the expense of each of our hands. The anthem itself is about death and destruction.

The US has killed many innocent people. That is a fact. I am also saying the flag is political, and anything political should not be involved with sporting events...

Blind patriotism is conditioned through television screens all over this country.

This is absolutely fact. Look how much money the military spends on advertisements and special events at these games.

If you still think wars are fought for freedom, think again...Oil, resources, drugs, power, and money. Those are the primary factors for war.

I guess this could be debated, but come on. When corporations end up on both sides of a war, something is fishy...

Do you think it is a coincidence that we are stuck in Afghanistan? Look how much opium is over there, now look at the opium epidemic throughout our country.

Opinion right now, but don't be surprised in 20 years when this turns out to be true....

Look back on how the U.S. trained Bin Laden, now look how many times these radical groups have somehow got U.S. weapons. That seems to be a cycle...

This is an absolute fact. We definitely trained Bin Laden.

We give a shitload of money to Israel and do you know what is really going on over there? Palestinian people aren't being treated very nicely. Look into how much natural gas is over in that region. Hmmm...

This is a sticky situation here. I would refer to Abby Martins reporting on this situation. Some really good insight from her. I just don't like the amount of money we provide to Israel every year. Plus, it is a fact that there is tons on natural gas over there...

You guys can think what you want. But, if the only source of your information is coming from mainstream media outlets, including the web, newspapers and television, you are being misinformed immensely. The mainstream media cannot be trusted. That is a fact.

Its a shame our fighting men and women lay their lives' on the line every day to ensure the freedoms we enjoy in this country, only to have misguided dolts like this guy use those very freedoms to spew their disrespectful anti-America self righteous bullshit.

The America Flag is an unbiased symbol of the Freedom our Nation has fought to preserve for well over 200 years. It has NO political affiliations.

Its people like YOU and these NFL players who try to selfishly use it as a political crutch in order to support their own Self-Righteous agenda's and narratives. I can't think of anything more disgraceful and cowardly.

I would also suggest that YOU quit using Oil and other natural resources to support your way of life. You might also want to quit your job(If you have one) as well as trying to peddle cards for profit and money to avoid being the self-righteous hypocrite you are.

You made One statement that had any merit at all, that the Mainstream media is often slanted and often dishonest, but if the alternative is the absolutely out of touch with reality non-sense coming out of your mouth, I will gladly stay with the Media.

Our Democracy is not without it's flaws, but it is most certainly miles ahead of anything else out there. Please feel free to move to a country of your choosing where you will be less offended. The Symbol of Freedom (The American Flag), allows you to leave on your own free will.

I apologize to the OP, as I know he requested that we stay on topic and not go down this road, but this kind of Moronic crap can't go unchecked.

[kvnkvnkvn]

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Originally Posted by BigRedOne

Its a shame our fighting men and women lay their lives' on the line every day to ensure the freedoms we enjoy in this country, only to have misguided dolts like this guy use those very freedoms to spew their disrespectful anti-America self righteous bullshit.

God Bless America. hahahahahahaha

The America Flag is an unbiased symbol of the Freedom our Nation has fought to preserve for well over 200 years. It has NO political affiliations. America itself is a political affiliation.

It once stood for freedom, not sure if that is the case anymore.

Its people like YOU and these NFL players who try to selfishly use it as a political crutch in order to support their own Self-Righteous agenda's and narratives. I can't think of anything more disgraceful and cowardly.

What agenda, to stop wars for profit? Sorry for being so self righteous.

I would also suggest that YOU quit using Oil and other natural resources to support your way of life. You might also want to quit your job(If you have one) as well as trying to peddle cards for profit and money to avoid being the self-righteous hypocrite you are.

I would love to transition towards a Venus Project concept. I will gladly give up any of that stuff to make that change.

You made One statement that had any merit at all, that the Mainstream media is often slanted and often dishonest, but if the alternative is the absolutely out of touch with reality non-sense coming out of your mouth, I will gladly stay with the Media.

Okay. Go ahead, you are only hurting yourself.

Our Democracy is not without it's flaws, but it is most certainly miles ahead of anything else out there. Please feel free to move to a country of your choosing where you will be less offended. The Symbol of Freedom (The American Flag), allows you to leave on your own free will.

Agreed, we are miles ahead of most. Why should I have to move. It should be the filthy lobbyists and politicians. They are the ones destroying the country.

I apologize to the OP, as I know he requested that we stay on topic and not go down this road, but this kind of Moronic crap can't go unchecked.
Hello Leon, sure you will be checking in on this one...

[BigRedOne]

How about ya just stay on topic and spare the board anymore of your stupidity.

John Clayes