Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The law does say critical race theory cannot be taught, n'est-ce pas?

No. "Critical" and "theory" are two more words that never appear in the law in any context whatsoever.

The bill is less than 4,000 words. If one does not want to read all of it, 51-78 are a good general summation of what it does not allow.

The talking points of right or left do not equal actual reality.

[packs]

The updated Pen letter includes a disclaimer that says they are looking into the precise details of why, when, and for how long the books were removed. I don’t see any challenges to them being removed for a period of time.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

The updated Pen letter includes a disclaimer that says they are looking into the precise details of why, when, and for how long the books were removed. I don’t see any challenges to them being removed for a period of time.

How is it possible to remove a book that wasn’t in the library in the first place?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

No. "Critical" and "theory" are two more words that never appear in the law in any context whatsoever.

The bill is less than 4,000 words. If one does not want to read all of it, 51-78 are a good general summation of what it does not allow.

The talking points of right or left do not equal actual reality.

I've read it. It bans it in so many words and that is obviously how it is understood including by the court that struck it down as unconstitutional as applied to universities.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've read it. It bans it in so many words and that is obviously how it is understood including by the court that struck it down as unconstitutional as applied to universities.

I would love to see what line(s) in the bill, which explicitly requires teaching African American history and achievement, ban Jackie Robinson books.

Whether it is a good bill or not, I am not so sure. But the claims made appear to be contradictory to the text and to the evidence of what has actually happened.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I would love to see what line(s) in the bill, which explicitly requires teaching African American history and achievement, ban Jackie Robinson books.

Whether it is a good bill or not, I am not so sure. But the claims made appear to be contradictory to the text and to the evidence of what has actually happened.

You just moved the goalposts of the discussion I was talking about critical race theory.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You just moved the goalposts of the discussion I was talking about critical race theory.

Hm. The books the thread is about seems to be the topic, but alright. We'll pretend it's not. 'Critical Race Theory' is not in the bill, and is a rather vague term used on the right. I'm not exactly a supporter of the bill, I've simply read it and can see that the media accounts are in complete opposition to the actual text.

Here's 51-83 with what it actually doesn't allow instruction of. What part do you think is a problem and want to debate instead of the books that it obviously doesn't ban?


51. 1. Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are
52 morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or
53 national origin.
54 2. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex,
55 or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive,
56 whether consciously or unconsciously.
57 3. An individual’s moral character or status as either
58 privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her
59 race, color, sex, or national origin.
60 4. Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin
61 cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to
62 race, color, sex, or national origin.
63 5. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex,
64 or national origin, bears responsibility for, or should be
65 discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of,
66 actions committed in the past by other members of the same race,
67 color, sex, or national origin.
68 6. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex,
69 or national origin, should be discriminated against or receive
70 adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.
71 7. An individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or
72 any other form of psychological distress on account of his or
73 her race, color, sex, or national origin.
74 8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness,
75 neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are racist or
76 sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color,
77 sex, or national origin to oppress members of another race,
78 color, sex, or national origin.
79 (b) Paragraph (a) may not be construed to prohibit
80 discussion of the concepts listed therein as part of a course of
81 training or instruction, provided such training or instruction
82 is given in an objective manner without endorsement of the
83 concepts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

[Peter_Spaeth]

While acknowledging Friday that critical race theory is not taught in Florida schools, DeSantis claimed its "principles" are entering into class instruction, especially in how history and social science is taught. He got the Florida Board of Education last year to specifically ban its use in schools.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

Again, the narratives of left and right are not actual reality. Proponents of a bill typically describe it about as accurately as the media does, for political purposes to their base. I do not care about this rhetoric, when we have the actual text in front of us. Which clause are you objecting to, or constitutes the very vague 'critical race theory'? As far as I can tell this is a catch-call term multiple groups are using to denote things they don't like. What part of the actual law do you want to discuss?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

"Prioritizing education" = preventing kids from learning things. Yale and Harvard -educated RDS is on roll...gearing up for 2024.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

So public schools including colleges dont have any issues in preaching one side of the political aisle they are all in the middle.....no reason for any governor to try to combat it guess is what you are saying.....there is no political issues in public schools on young minds i guess is what we are hearing , if there are issues toward political indoctrination, what are the boards suggestions..

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by G1911

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Here's 51-83 with what it actually doesn't allow instruction of. What part do you think is a problem and want to debate instead of the books that it obviously doesn't ban?

57 3. An individual’s moral character or status as either
58 privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her
59 race, color, sex, or national origin.

Not banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp because he is black.

Unclear - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente, who is black, was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Yes, the law allows slavery to be taught and talked about. However, according to the law, not a single person can be said to have been discriminated against because of their skin color. Hence, since the civil war, life has been a bed of roses for black people. According to the law, no black person can be said to have been denied access to hotels, restaurants, etc. solely because of their skin color.

Hence, the potential banning of books about Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc. Books cannot mention that they were oppressed because their skin color was black.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Not banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp because he is black.

Unclear - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente, who is black, was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Yes, the law allows slavery to be taught and talked about. However, according to the law, not a single person can be said to have been discriminated against because of their skin color. Hence, since the civil war, life has been a bed of roses for black people. According to the law, no black person can be said to have been denied access to hotels, restaurants, etc. solely because of their skin color.

Hence, the potential banning of books about Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc. Books cannot mention that they were oppressed because their skin color was black.

Hallelujah, he's back!

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Not banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp because he is black.

Unclear - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente, who is black, was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Yes, the law allows slavery to be taught and talked about. However, according to the law, not a single person can be said to have been discriminated against because of their skin color. Hence, since the civil war, life has been a bed of roses for black people. According to the law, no black person can be said to have been denied access to hotels, restaurants, etc. solely because of their skin color.

Hence, the potential banning of books about Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc. Books cannot mention that they were oppressed because their skin color was black.

If there's a silver lining to this, it's that, like the extreme anti-choice laws that some states have put in place, this racist garbage will crash and burn at the national level.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Not banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Banned - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp because he is black.

Unclear - While preparing for the upcoming season during spring training in Florida, Roberto Clemente, who is black, was not allowed to stay in many of the hotels near the camp.

Yes, the law allows slavery to be taught and talked about. However, according to the law, not a single person can be said to have been discriminated against because of their skin color. Hence, since the civil war, life has been a bed of roses for black people. According to the law, no black person can be said to have been denied access to hotels, restaurants, etc. solely because of their skin color.

Hence, the potential banning of books about Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc. Books cannot mention that they were oppressed because their skin color was black.

Spot on.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I've read it. It bans it in so many words and that is obviously how it is understood including by the court that struck it down as unconstitutional as applied to universities.

Exactly.