Murray Chass slams Peter Nash

[Jlighter]

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=6099&u...On+Baseball%29

[cardaholic]

is a great way to know less than you did when you started. The highlights of Barry Halper's collection were primarily either stolen or fake. No amount of bashing on Pete Nash can change that.

Beatifying a dead scam artist is actually slightly less stupid (though somewhat more noxious) than Chass's regular comments on the game of baseball.

So, Murray, did Barry Halper ever give you any autographs or memorabilia?

[Cardboard Junkie]

Hard to grasp, but Chass and Halper make Nash look good.

[Exhibitman]

I disagree. Chass laid out the case against Nash quite well. Halper's sins are irrelevant--they do not change the fact that Nash is a cheat and a fraud. His screeds on Hauls of Shame cry out for heavy meds and a team of therapists.

[Jlighter]

Here's a link to a 2011 article mentioned in the current article.

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=3644

[Ease]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

His screeds on Hauls of Shame cry out for heavy meds and a team of therapists.

"Pop goes the valium, the valium."

[travrosty]

yeah what a total jerk for saving collectors thousands upon thousands of dollars by outing stolen, fake and counterfeit merchandise from the hobby when they come up for sale.

[glynparson]

I see parallels between Canseco and Nash. How did that turn out? Just cause the guy has done scummy things does not mean he is not right about a lot of this stuff. Its like the kid in school that gets caught cheating then rats on all the other kids who were cheating. Dont just automatically dismiss what he says because he has done a ton of scummy things of course dont necessarily justbelieve them on face value either.

[Bpm0014]

"Peter Nash never made it as big as Vanilla Ice and you can still see the anger in him over this."

Hobby-wise, I know nothing about Peter Nash. Musically, he was an unbeleivable talent. To mention him and Vanilla Ice in the same sentence is laughable. His group 3rd Bass was definitely not a "one hit wonder". No joke.

[howard38]

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[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

"Peter Nash never made it as big as Vanilla Ice and you can still see the anger in him over this."

Hobby-wise, I know nothing about Peter Nash. Musically, he was an unbeleivable talent. To mention him and Vanilla Ice in the same sentence is laughable. His group 3rd Bass was definitely not a "one hit wonder". No joke.

Maybe true, I don't know...Hip hop and rap were not my cup of tea back then so I paid them no attention. I never heard of 3rd Bass or Pete Nice (Nash) until he was brought up in this forum. Vanilla Ice was bigger than 3rd Bass simply because people who did not listen to that music knew who he was. I could ask a dozen people on the street the question "who was bigger? 3rd Bass or Vanilla Ice?" What do you think the outcome of that poll would be?

As far as talent goes, I have no idea...I watched a few 3rd base Bass videos a couple of years ago and they were just as funny as Vanilla Ice. Were they supposed to be funny?

[howard38]

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[Jlighter]

New article.

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=6116

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I see parallels between Canseco and Nash. How did that turn out? Just cause the guy has done scummy things does not mean he is not right about a lot of this stuff. Its like the kid in school that gets caught cheating then rats on all the other kids who were cheating. Dont just automatically dismiss what he says because he has done a ton of scummy things of course dont necessarily justbelieve them on face value either.

But if the kid is still cheating and ratting then what? Maybe the kid needs to get his own house in order before he snitches on others, no? Nash is brilliant but that doesn't make him clean..and it doesn't make what he says not true. It could be. But until the time he comes clean about all of his issues it will be difficult for a lot of people to take him seriously. Maybe his next article should be on what he has done in the hobby, good and bad. Now that would be a good read.

[MattyC]

Nash's credibility is greatly, greatly impaired, no question-- but to entirely dismiss what he illuminates might be a mistake. Just because someone has committed bad acts, has exhibited poor character, and may even still be doing so doesn't mean every single thing they say is a complete lie.

There could be some truth, even a modicum, in the things he points out. It is up to each individual to evaluate what Nash says and carefully weigh his points and evidence and of course account for his possible motivations. At the very least, though, it could cause collectors to more carefully scrutinize certain items, which is never a bad thing.

I understand the knee-jerk impulse to utterly dismiss the guy, but there's no harm whatsoever in mining his current observations for even a kernel of truth.

I personally agree with Leon's statement above; if Nash really does care about what he's doing and wants his words to be taken as seriously as possible given his past, a self-analytical article would help the matter.

[orator1]

Leon writes: "But until the time he comes clean about all of his issues it will be difficult for a lot of people to take him seriously."

Leon, is he banned from this board? If so, maybe it's time to lift his ban on Net54 to give him a chance to respond to all the negative comments against him.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by orator1

Leon writes: "But until the time he comes clean about all of his issues it will be difficult for a lot of people to take him seriously."

Leon, is he banned from this board? If so, maybe it's time to lift his ban on Net54 to give him a chance to respond to all the negative comments against him.

He is not banned. Never has been.

[wonkaticket]

Peter Nash has had the opportunity many times to come clean and enlighten folks on bogus items or dealings he’s been connected too or implicated in.

However every time he’s asked by anyone including lawyers and judges he magically pleads the fifth.



Does that tell you something…..it should.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

But if the kid is still cheating and ratting then what? Maybe the kid needs to get his own house in order before he snitches on others, no? Nash is brilliant but that doesn't make him clean..and it doesn't make what he says not true. It could be. But until the time he comes clean about all of his issues it will be difficult for a lot of people to take him seriously. Maybe his next article should be on what he has done in the hobby, good and bad. Now that would be a good read.

Never going to happen. If you go to the 'about the author' link on 'Hauls of Shame', this is as close as he comes. Doesn't sound like someone even close to coming clean:

But from 1989 to 1995 Nash experienced the dark side of the baseball collectibles field as he discovered, with the help of his friend and world renowned handwriting expert Charles Hamilton, that close to a quarter million dollars worth of materials he’d purchased were either bogus or stolen goods.

[wonkaticket]

[Cardboard Junkie]

Ha ha ha! Now THAT'S funny!!

[ctownboy]

If those that Peter Nash are ratting out don't like it, don't like Peter Nash and/or know that Peter Nash is ALSO doing illegal or shady things then they too can rat out Peter Nash. What is stopping them?

Honestly, I don't care WHO is ratting out WHOM, just as long as the bad stuff is having the light of day thrown on it, the roaches are being exposed and people are not getting ripped off.

I love my old baseball cards and memorabilia. I love the history behind the stuff. I love that the value went down some during the recession but that I could STILL go to the safe deposit box, pull some stuff out and hold and look at it and think about it (unlike stocks) and that since the economy is bouncing back, the value of my items are increasing also.

However, as I have said before, the more times that wealthy people, new collectors or young people are ripped off, the more chances that they will NOT come back to the hobby and our valued collectibles will lose that value and become nothing more than old things.

I do not want that to happen and am glad that somebody, ANYBODY, is willing to stand up and point out wrong doing in the hobby (business); whether they themselves are a rat or not.

If these people pointing fingers ARE rats then I am sure, in time, THEY will have fingers pointed back at them and they will get their due.

David

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

If those that Peter Nash are ratting out don't like it, don't like Peter Nash and/or know that Peter Nash is ALSO doing illegal or shady things then they too can rat out Peter Nash. What is stopping them?

Many are not pointing fingers they are taking him to court, slapping him with judgments, fines and garnishing wages in order to pay settlements owed etc. etc. etc.

Many folks were affected by this guy and those folks don’t have blogs or the time to start smear campaigns against Peter Nash…just because he has the time to do these things shouldn’t mean that others should play his game back.

[tschock]

While I would take what Nash says with a grain of salt, the simple question (in my mind) is: "Has he brought to light actual cases of fraud and bogus material in the hobby?"

It seems like those with an valid axe to grind against Nash conveniently choose to ignore this simple question and the cases where he has done this. It seems like those with a pro-Nash stance seem to point to this as a proof of his positive influence while avoiding all his own nefarious dealings. There IS a middle ground here.

Nash's writing is a lot like the National Enquirer. A lot of hot air and misinformation... except for the times when they hit the nail on the head and cover something everyone else wants to ignore and sweep under the rug.

I would question the wisdom of anyone expecting results from sending a saint into the den of thieves.

[frankb22]

Jose Canseco.

[Yankeefan51]

I have had the great fortune of being a 30- year collector. I have had the opportunity to meet a plethora of world class collectors, some brilliant dealers and more than a few scoundrels along the way.

As I have started to wind down (for personal reasons). the number of low life
accusers who believe the web grants permission to write and say whatever they want about whomever they want is disappointing.

The guilty ones, like the dictator of North Korea, instill fear in all, and hope that no one will notice that the real purpose of their posts is to cover their crimes, bad debt and lies that are the canvass of their life. Perhaps, we need to return to the days of the Old West, and literally hang the scum of the hobby out to dry.

Like terrorists, these liars deserve no mercy. They will make good target practice for the NRA. Long live the hobby!


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

...the number of low life accusers who believe the web grants permission to write and say whatever they want about whomever they want is disappointing.

The guilty ones, like the dictator of North Korea, instill fear in all, and hope that no one will notice that the real purpose of their posts is to cover their crimes, bad debt and lies that are the canvass of their life. Perhaps, we need to return to the days of the Old West, and literally hang the scum of the hobby out to dry.

Like terrorists, these liars deserve no mercy. They will make good target practice for the NRA. Long live the hobby!

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Bruce,

Please...don't hold back. Say what you really mean.

Best Regards,

Eric

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

I have had the great fortune of being a 30- year collector. I have had the opportunity to meet a plethora of world class collectors, some brilliant dealers and more than a few scoundrels along the way.

As I have started to wind down (for personal reasons). the number of low life
accusers who believe the web grants permission to write and say whatever they want about whomever they want is disappointing.

The guilty ones, like the dictator of North Korea, instill fear in all, and hope that no one will notice that the real purpose of their posts is to cover their crimes, bad debt and lies that are the canvass of their life. Perhaps, we need to return to the days of the Old West, and literally hang the scum of the hobby out to dry.

Like terrorists, these liars deserve no mercy. They will make good target practice for the NRA. Long live the hobby!


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Huge +1, well said Mr. Dorskind

[deadballfreaK]

Damn, I am ignorant. Been sitting here in my own little collecting world. Completely lost. Never heard of any of these people (Chass, Nash? Never heard of em and don't want to) and could care less if rap and hip hop is involved. That stuff must be way over my head. I'll stick to Pink Floyd and buying cards I like.

[Rich Klein]

None of his fire

[Paul S]

Interesting to read Bruce in 1st person singular.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

I have had the great fortune of being a 30- year collector. I have had the opportunity to meet a plethora of world class collectors, some brilliant dealers and more than a few scoundrels along the way.

As I have started to wind down (for personal reasons). the number of low life
accusers who believe the web grants permission to write and say whatever they want about whomever they want is disappointing.

The guilty ones, like the dictator of North Korea, instill fear in all, and hope that no one will notice that the real purpose of their posts is to cover their crimes, bad debt and lies that are the canvass of their life. Perhaps, we need to return to the days of the Old West, and literally hang the scum of the hobby out to dry.

Like terrorists, these liars deserve no mercy. They will make good target practice for the NRA. Long live the hobby!


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Old Skool Bruce without all the "we" and "Whilst"....

[Cardboard Junkie]

Did one of the Bruces pass away? So sad. My condolences. Dave.