coaches corner babe ruth red sox ball unreal!

[rjackson44]

how does this auction house get away with these items.wheres the f.b.i ? and who co signed this ?

[thetruthisoutthere]

How dare you question that autograph. It's "authenticated" by Chris Morales, former George Washington U. forensic professor.

Judging by that piece of crap, does Morales fail anything. Does Morales even examine anything that he certs?

Do you, Mr. Morales? Do you really?

[rjackson44]

thanks chris funny post lol

[HRBAKER]

Not so fast Chris, is that an "auction LOA" or a full LOA?

[Mr. Zipper]

Was the ball shellacked in White Out before the Babe signed it?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Was the ball shellacked in White Out before the Babe signed it?

It looks to be one of those red and white logo panel balls they sold in the concession stands in early to mid teens.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Chris Morales, when asked "How long do you spend per item?"

He replied "That varies. If you look at somebody like Babe Ruth, where I've seen a high volume, it wouldn't take as long because I know his characteristics."

Morales said that seven years ago. And look at the absolute garbage he continues to "authenticate."

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Was the ball shellacked in White Out before the Babe signed it?

Looks like the Babe didn't even wait for the white out to dry.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Looks like the Babe didn't even wait for the white out to dry.

How is it possible that Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator, using "State Of The Art Technology," could get any autograph examination wrong? Wait a minute, does he physically examine anything?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

How is it possible that Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator, using "State Of The Art Technology," could get any autograph examination wrong? Wait a minute, does he physically examine anything?

I think he flips a coin...Unfortunately, that coin that says authentic on both sides

[sago]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

How is it possible that Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator, using "State Of The Art Technology," could get any autograph examination wrong? Wait a minute, does he physically examine anything?

If someone were to stakeout his office, I am absolutely sure that the volume of UPS and Federal Express packages, leaving and arriving, exceeds PSA and Spence volume combined.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by sago

If someone were to stakeout his office, I am absolutely sure that the volume of UPS and Federal Express packages, leaving and arriving, exceeds PSA and Spence volume combined.

Sure, all courtesy of "Roaches"

[Ladder7]

"If you look at somebody like Babe Ruth, where I've seen a high volume..."

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

"If you look at somebody like Babe Ruth, where I've seen a high volume..."

Steve, that's hilarious!!!

[Fuddjcal]

oh, I almost forgot, It's (FDE's cheater f'ers like Chris Moral less) not a problem though, YEAH REALLY

Here's an analogy...Moral less is a Festering Boil on the ass of the autograph industry, while the "alphabets" are just hemorrhoidsBoth are irritating.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Chris Morales once said "The signature may look good, but if it's a Babe Ruth signature signed with a sharpie, you know they weren't around."

This is presently on the Roach's Corner auction site. A golf ball signed by Babe Ruth "authenticated" by Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator.

Yeah, Morales, that was signed with a fountain pen!!!!

Morales-GolfBall-CC.jpg

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Chris Morales once said "The signature may look good, but if it's a Babe Ruth signature signed with a sharpie, you know they weren't around."

This is presently on the Roach's Corner auction site. A golf ball signed by Babe Ruth "authenticated" by Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator.

Yeah, Morales, that was signed with a fountain pen!!!!

Attachment 54871

But Chris, you can see it from 16.75 feet away

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

But Chris, you can see it from 16.75 feet away

Actually, with a marker or sharpie being used on that golf ball, we can see it from across the street.

Like Mr. Morales said "The signature may look good, but if it's a Babe Ruth signature signed with a sharpie, you know they weren't around."

Mr. Morales, did you really give yourself the title of "Forensic Investigator?"

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Chris Morales once said "The signature may look good, but if it's a Babe Ruth signature signed with a sharpie, you know they weren't around."

This is presently on the Roach's Corner auction site. A golf ball signed by Babe Ruth "authenticated" by Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator.

Yeah, Morales, that was signed with a fountain pen!!!!

Attachment 54871

Is that red stripe on the golf ball the kind they use at driving ranges today?

Did those exist in the 40s?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Is that red stripe on the golf ball the kind they use at driving ranges today?

Did those exist in the 40s?

Mr. Zipper, how dare that you challenge the "forensic" expertise of Mr. Morales

I remember the title of the article when Morales was interviewed. It was titled "Newcomer Morales Touts Formal Training." Seven years later that wonderful formal training is still kicking in.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by hrbaker

not so fast chris, is that an "auction loa" or a full loa? :d

lmao!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here's another masterpiece certed Christopher Morales, Forensic Investigator. The below piece of crap is being sold on the website where I first discovered Morales years ago. I won't mention the website.

SigDreams-Ruth2.jpg

[D. Bergin]

What I want to really know. More important then Sports Memorabilia.

Does Morales actually get work as a forensic examiner in actual court cases. If so, what does that really say about our justice system, that he can sway juries who know nothing of his shaky history.

[rjackson44]

chris are you sure thats not real you can see the signature miles away.chris theres also a piccaso painting painted by him lot one worth 115k they said with a signature,,,look at the bids lol. it look like i painted it wheres the f.b.i,

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What I want to really know. More important then Sports Memorabilia.

Does Morales actually get work as a forensic examiner in actual court cases. If so, what does that really say about our justice system, that he can sway juries who know nothing of his shaky history.

Lovert Bassett vs. Bryan Slaven, Case No. 10 SC 3866

Chris Morales "authenticated" signed photos of Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney that were sold to Mr. Lovert Bassett by Bryan Slaven of Autograph Central.

To make a long story short, Mr. Bassett discovered that the autographs he purchased from Bryan Slaven were forgeries (traced). Mr. Bassett actually contracted a true forensic examiner to examine the autographs he purchased and that forensic examiner discovered the autographs were traced.

Mr. Morales was called upon to testify in court on behalf of Bryan Slaven (Autograph Central) and his testimony was struck by Judge Fusz.

By the way, I was in direct email contact with Mr. Lovert Bassett, who was refunded all of his monies by Bryan Slaven.

The total amount refunded to Mr. Bassett was $7, 345.00.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What I want to really know. More important then Sports Memorabilia.

Does Morales actually get work as a forensic examiner in actual court cases. If so, what does that really say about our justice system, that he can sway juries who know nothing of his shaky history.

I'd go as far as to guess that Morales might actually know what he's doing when it comes to his forensic examinations. However, the man has no integrity. It's in his best interest financially to just pass everything, and I'll guess that in court cases, he probably just sides with whoever pays him as well.

Much like a psychiatrist, if they're hired by the prosecution, the defendant is always sane. If they're hired by the defense, then the defendant is always a nutjob.. Same for defense attorneys and prosecutors. There's no right or wrong, there's just who's paying the bills.

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=novakjr;960380]I'd go as far as to guess that Morales might actually know what he's doing when it comes to his forensic examinations.

I wouldn't trust Morales to forensically examine water to determine if water is wet or dry.

[novakjr]

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;960383]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I'd go as far as to guess that Morales might actually know what he's doing when it comes to his forensic examinations.

I wouldn't trust Morales to forensically examine if water is wet or dry.

That wasn't necessarily my point. It was more of, is he capable of giving an ACCURATE answer? Possibly... Can he be trusted to give an HONEST answer when money is involved? NO!!!

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=novakjr;960384]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That wasn't necessarily my point. It was more of, is he capable of giving an ACCURATE answer? Possibly... Can he be trusted to give an HONEST answer when money is involved? NO!!!

Hi David, I knew what you meant, just wanted to get the dig in at Morales.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Lovert Bassett vs. Bryan Slaven, Case No. 10 SC 3866

Chris Morales "authenticated" signed photos of Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney that were sold to Mr. Lovert Bassett by Bryan Slaven of Autograph Central.

To make a long story short, Mr. Bassett discovered that the autographs he purchased from Bryan Slaven were forgeries (traced). Mr. Bassett actually contracted a true forensic examiner to examine the autographs he purchased and that forensic examiner discovered the autographs were traced.

Mr. Morales was called upon to testify in court on behalf of Bryan Slaven (Autograph Central) and his testimony was struck by Judge Fusz.

By the way, I was in direct email contact with Mr. Lovert Bassett, who was refunded all of his monies by Bryan Slaven.

The total amount refunded to Mr. Bassett was $7, 345.00.

Are there any cases involving Morales that aren't necessarily involved with the Autograph Collectibles market?

[Rickyy]

everytime they have an auction I cry and laugh hysterically at the same time....

Ricky Yoneda

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Lovert Bassett vs. Bryan Slaven, Case No. 10 SC 3866

Chris Morales "authenticated" signed photos of Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney that were sold to Mr. Lovert Bassett by Bryan Slaven of Autograph Central.

To make a long story short, Mr. Bassett discovered that the autographs he purchased from Bryan Slaven were forgeries (traced). Mr. Bassett actually contracted a true forensic examiner to examine the autographs he purchased and that forensic examiner discovered the autographs were traced.

Mr. Morales was called upon to testify in court on behalf of Bryan Slaven (Autograph Central) and his testimony was struck by Judge Fusz.

By the way, I was in direct email contact with Mr. Lovert Bassett, who was refunded all of his monies by Bryan Slaven.

The total amount refunded to Mr. Bassett was $7, 345.00.

A mere pittance as we all know that MORAL LESS doesn't cost the autograph community very much

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

A mere pittance as we all know that MORAL LESS doesn't cost the autograph community very much

Very true, Chuck. Fortunately, Mr. Bassett, got his money back. There was another story of "1919 Black Sox" team-signed ball certed by Morales. It originated from Coach's Corner and sold for almost 3K. It was then sold at a store on the west coast for 10K. Fortunately, the buyer did some research, and discovered it was a forgery. That buyer got their money back.

But what about the thousands of other items that are flipped for 5-20 times after the Roach's Corner purchase price where the impulse buyer still believes they own a Christy Mathewson signed baseball; or a Mike "King" Kelly signed ball; or a Geronimo cut sig; or a Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens signed letter; or those hundreds of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig signed bats.

Because we're always talking sports over here, we (I do) never think about all of that other crap that Morales "authenticates." Music-related autographs like Beatles signed albums; Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison cut sigs, letters, and lyric sheets.

You're right, Chuck, I guess those millions of dollars of crap out there don't matter.

[GrayGhost]

Its a sickness/disease and how the FBI doesn't move in on our friends in PA baffles me. I always had a weird idea to just go down to where their "office " is, and just walk in.

In all seriousness, yes, there are numbers of potentially bad balls signed by Ruth, Gehrig, Young, etc that the Alphabet kids and others have mistakenly identified, and ITS A PROBLEM

But, when you seriously look at how much has gone out of CC in the past years, its scary. Sometimes, since many smart people know that if it walks looks like dog food, smells like dog food, its not filet Minon, the prices stay low in comparison to what REAL signatures would go for. The real prob is the numbers who try and turn them to unsuspecting "local auctions" or casino stores, etc. The recently closed Americas memories at Mohegan sun here in CT used Morales and other FDE's for their stuff and I just shook my head.

I mean, the Roaches seriously have stuff that is literally either impossible to obtain or VERY hard, and nearly impossible to authenticate. Then, they throw in Witch Trial prayer teething blankets and other stuff too for a change of pace.

So, in closing, Lets not look at the CC and the like stuff and poo poo it, because its not a Babe ruth 50K ball in a major auction. Lets get rid of all this crap, and for those who love this part of the Hobby, make them feel a bit more comftorable in what they buy, and also to rely on themselves and their freelings more than just words on a piece of paper.