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Old 04-25-2015, 08:57 PM
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Default 1989 fleer Randy Johnson

Ok so I've just kind of gotten into collecting the famous Fleer error cards. The Rick face card speaks for itself but up until recently I didn't really know much about the Randy Johnson Marlboro rookie. I've made quiet a few purchases of this card recently,probably 30 or so,some are graded and some aren't. It's really hard to tell which variations are which through a picture for these for some reason. Well I just got a batch In and I have found a couple different things on a couple of the cards that I was hoping someone could explain. One of them is the completely blacked out version except there is a small green dot in the middle of the right border near where the cowboy would be. The other is the blacked out version but on the red stripe of the shoulder on the uniform nearest to the sign is a yellow circle. I bought them off ebay so I know theres always a chance of tampering but I cant find much on the internet so I was hoping someone else knew.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:12 PM
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but I cant find much on the internet so I was hoping someone else knew.
Not sure how you missed it but the top result when you google search "1989 Fleer Randy Johnson Marlboro" is my extensive blog on them from a few years ago. The comments section is filled with information too.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/20...ro-variations/

There are plenty of arguments for variance within the variations themselves but this gives a rundown of the most frequently found versions. I do not count print dot and fish eye or stray ink dots (green dot, etc) as recognizable varieties in the cataloging of these cards as these dots can be found across the card in every place imaginable and the same goes for every other card in the set.
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Old 04-26-2015, 07:44 AM
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Yes they are very hard to tell what version you are buying off the net because they just don't scan or take pictures well and several are very close to one another in looks.

I have close to 20 different versions plus countless print errors. Post a picture and I will do my best to tell you what version it is.

I am still looking for a clear sign version or even a picture of one. I have seen a few altered ones including one in a PSA slab but never a real one.

A big +1 on Dylan having a great junk era error web site. I use it regularly and am glad he keeps it going.
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Old 04-26-2015, 08:01 AM
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A big +1 on Dylan having a great junk era error web site. I use it regularly and am glad he keeps it going.[/quote]

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Old 04-26-2015, 10:10 AM
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Oh I've seen the article numerous times,but like you said it only covers certain versions. When I get home I'll take a picture and show you. But so far I've not seen a card on the web or in person that has the yellow dot on the uniform and I have two!
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Old 04-26-2015, 10:36 AM
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I collect variants and like pursuing them if they are recurring, but have come to believe that if you pick out any card in any set and search long enough you will eventually find a printing flaw of some kind.

I also think on cards like this one and the Ripken..and even on cards like the Campos black star, many of the variants out there are post production creations.

Nevertheless, I have several versions of both
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:01 PM
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Oh I've seen the article numerous times,but like you said it only covers certain versions. When I get home I'll take a picture and show you. But so far I've not seen a card on the web or in person that has the yellow dot on the uniform and I have two!
Please post scans when you can!

As for the yellow dot, that is a very common print flaw occurrence. This is not something that will generally be given a separate listing in a catalog as there are so many types of these stray mark flaws: yellow dot, white dot, pink dot, black dot...dot on uniform, in name, over sign area, in border...etc etc. None of them are design changes by Fleer. To collect every one can be fun, for certain, but I will never list them on my site as running changes to the card in effort to correct the signage. They are simply printing accidents.

And that said, if the same print flaw (ie, a border break or stray black line) happens in the same spot for a large enough chunk of the printing, then I consider those worthy of catalog or at the very least, notation as they are commonly known as RPD: recurring print defects.
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Old 04-26-2015, 03:26 PM
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I will post a picture very soon. I got the card I'm speaking about in a lot of 15 off of ebay. All were the 1989 fleer. Only two of them had a yellow dot and they weren't in the same place. Naturally I assumed that it had probably been because of tampering by the dealer. But I've looked and felt and it seems like a part of the card. I really just wanted to know if there were others like it.
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Old 04-27-2015, 08:32 AM
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To me, what was funny about this card is that it took years for it to be recognized. 10 years? It was a VERY early correction. Way before the Ripken FF. I've seen the clear Marlboro version. Held it at the National last summer. Resides in a PSA 9 slab IIRC. Only one I've seen.
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Old 04-27-2015, 05:14 PM
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To me, what was funny about this card is that it took years for it to be recognized. 10 years? It was a VERY early correction. Way before the Ripken FF. I've seen the clear Marlboro version. Held it at the National last summer. Resides in a PSA 9 slab IIRC. Only one I've seen.
And knowing how PSA is so confused by variations I'm guessing the label said "Ad Partially Obscured" on it.
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