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Old 07-13-2017, 02:19 PM
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Interesting to note is that a BGS 8 sold for $4285 last week . I would have expected it to go higher especially after now seeing the PSA 7.5 sell for what it did. Is there that much of a discrepancy between PSA and the rest of the grading companies ?
Just speaking personally, I would not and have never bought a BGS-graded card. But a lot would also depend on how that card was sold--ebay buy it now? Auction house, major or minor? PWCC, despite all of the aired grievances against it here probably has the largest following on ebay.

Congrats on hanging on tight to yours,

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Old 07-13-2017, 03:08 PM
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Just came across this thread. I really think that the NNOF Thomas, along with a maybe 2 to 3 other cards from the junk wax era, have the potential to increase dramatically in value over the next 10 to 15 years. Misprint or error, it doesn't really matter. Just like the upside flying Jenny stamp or the 3 legged buffalo nickel (had to throw out some non card references), this card has a lot going for it ; initial mystery, hype, a HOFER's RC card, and unintentional scarcity. It doesn't matter if Thomas isn't in the same tier as Ruth, Mantle, Ripken, etc. When was the last time a rookie card of a HOFer came along (before the advent of 1/1's and manufactured SP's), and had such a short overall print run.

I think the true gems of the junk wax era (and there aren't many) have a lot more upside potential than most would probably think. First, like the Thomas NNOF, they are truly juxtaposed against an era of immense overproduction. Secondly, we are a little over that 25 year mark when traditionally the next generation of collectors, who have, or will come back to reminisce and collect their childhood...with an increasing amount of dispsible income. Lastly, the junk wax era and the few rarities found within it sits at the tail end of the 20th century. As we move further away from that into God knows what, I think a lot of collectors will give the 80's and 90's a second look in terms of the true rarities, top grade key cards, and perhaps to a lesser extent higher grade and still under valued (IMO) test issues such as Topps Mylar, '85 Topps Mini, etc.

Anyways, just my thoughts on it, but it should be fun to see where things go frome here.
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This was one of the greatest errors/misprints of my youth. Just reading this thread made me want to buy one...until I saw the prices on them. I then thought, "these must be obscenely rare if a 7.5 is selling for 5k." But a quick look at the pop reports show there are over 190 graded between psa and sgc (I hate finding bvg pop reports). That's not really rare enough to warrant these prices in my opinion. It's a really cool card, and it's "rare" for FOR THE ERA, but it's a bit steep FOR A POP 200+ card from 1990. But hell, if the market places it at 5k, then that's what it's worth. It's a great card of a great player.

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Old 07-14-2017, 05:35 AM
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This was one of the greatest errors/misprints of my youth. Just reading this thread made me want to buy one...until I saw the prices on them. I then thought, "these must be obscenely rare if a 7.5 is selling for 5k." But a quick look at the pop reports show there are over 190 graded between psa and sgc (I hate finding bvg pop reports). That's not really rare enough to warrant these prices in my opinion. It's a really cool card, and it's "rare" for FOR THE ERA, but it's a bit steep FOR A POP 200+ card from 1990. But hell, if the market places it at 5k, then that's what it's worth. It's a great card of a great player.
Not to compare it with the 1952 Topps Mantle (please forgive me baseball card gods), but it is far more rare than that if you go by the pop reports. The Thomas NNOF has a cera in mystic to it that I think will transend the all of the other contemporary RC gem mint 10's any day.

Today a print run of 300 sounds like a lot, but that is in large part because of all of the various products that are being made, multiple layers of parralels, brands, and inserts. In an investment sense, I think a lot of collectors would rather go after one of 'THE' key cards of an entire era versus 1,000's of manufactured 1/1's, which are becoming increasingly watered down and worthless (except largely for key rookies in key products).
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I tend to associate the term rare with something like the 61 Dice cards or 67 Stand Ups. The Thomas card to me is scarce but not rare. Still, if you are a Thomas collector or a master set guy, you have to have it. And if you are registry guy you might pay a big premium to get it in higher grade

I am not a print guy but wonder if the card can be easily faked, and if so, how many of those are out there. Have there been any reprints of it and if so are they well marked as such ? The related cards on the sheet ought to show up in similar numbers. Do they ? ( I get that some of them would be harder to spot)

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I tend to associate the term rare with something like the 61 Dice cards or 67 Stand Ups. The Thomas card to me is scarce but not rare. Still, if you are a Thomas collector or a master set guy, you have to have it. And if you are registry guy you might pay a big premium to get it in higher grade

I am not a print guy but wonder if the card can be easily faked, and is so, how many of those are out there. Have there been any reprints of it and if so are they well marked as such ? The related cards on the sheet ought to show up in similar numbers. Do they ? ( I get that some of them would be harder to spot)
I found this one yesterday searching around. The seller is selling it as RP as he said it doesn't feel quite right to him.
I looked quickly and seen no RP designation anywhere?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-4...QAAOSw7PJZZrqY

EDIT: What packs/sets/boxes were these NNOF cards from or were they randomly spread about?

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I found this one yesterday searching around. The seller is selling it as RP as he said it doesn't feel quite right to him.
I looked quickly and seen no RP designation anywhere?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-4...QAAOSw7PJZZrqY

EDIT: What packs/sets/boxes were these NNOF cards from or were they randomly spread about?
Scarce, rare, or whatever the term, there are very few when compared the print runs of most vintage cards. On top of that, most of the cards of that era sit in factory sealed cases or monster boxes. It doesn't suprise me that it has reached these levels.

As far as the counterfeiting is concerned I've heard of everything from painting over the blue box (which doesn't hide the gaps in the black border lines) to taking blank front Thomas cards and reprinting over them (wich wouldn't hold up under magnification). Bottom line is I would stay away from any raw NNOF Thomas's, unless you don't mind having to open up cases over a fake card.
I know Topps did a reprint or two but those were glossy and had the full black lines if I remember correctly.
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I looked quickly and seen no RP designation anywhere?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-4...QAAOSw7PJZZrqY

EDIT: What packs/sets/boxes were these NNOF cards from or were they randomly spread about?
It's an insanely overpriced reprint by Topps. Notice the black lines continue around the card's borders without disruption. The real one is missing portions of the black lines. Topps did that with the reprint to keep people from counterfeiting the card.
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