What do you think of this DiMaggio ball?

[travrosty]

Several people have had their accounts banned, canceled and suspended for voicing their concerns over this issue. I think what happened to Richard stinks. Is this what Heritage is all about?

Heritage takes a bow like they are doing everyone a favor, only AFTER people had to bring this to the public's attention, because after privately bringing it to heritage's attention, they were told to go away.

So then Heritage promises to be a good corporate citizen and fix the problem because they realize it's not the best way to do business, then this same good corporate citizen hands out behind-the-scenes suspended, canceled, and banned accounts.

Funny, that wasn't mentioned at all in their statement they made to the public regarding this issue. They didn't say 'By the way, we will be making this change, but suspending the accounts of those who brought it to light and challenged us in the public square.'

This wasn't a preview item, but live and open for bidding, like the boxing glove I showed also. We were promised this only happened to preview items. So this item actually has the precertification from PSA? I guess so since we heard from Heritage that the items that had this phantom notation weren't for sale, no way no how, and never would have been for sale. so this must not be a phantom pre-certification then, but real?

Is it live or Memorex? Heritage? Please forward a message to this board and explain.

And if anyone speaks freely about their concerns. Well, what can I say? I am no longer able to log in and bid at Heritage either since this all came about a few months ago.
I had never placed a bid with them, but was told my account was suspended because they had tried but failed to satisfactorily do business with me. If I had never placed a bid with them, how is this a failure to do business? It didn't have anything to do with doing business with them.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Several people have had their accounts banned, canceled and suspended for voicing their concerns over this issue. I think what happened to Richard stinks. Is this what Heritage is all about?

How un-American can they get? This is still a free country last time I looked.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

How un-American can they get? This is still a free country last time I looked.

Ah the little known 11th amendment...."In states of a man's mark be it on cowhide or a likeness, where the validity in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of expulsion for a question of a sellers true intention should be preserved by that very auction house."

They can refuse the right to sell to anyone, they are only hurting themselves with the practice.

[Sean1125]

If I'm not mistaken, the Ty Cobb that was pulled also said "Pre-certified", but PSA said they had not looked at it or authenticated it in any way.... So I'd have to assume that heritage is just using PSA's likeness with this "pre-certified" crap... I believe that their guys look at it and if their in house guys think it is good they throw PSA's name on their..

Honestly... If you were sold a fake item and had it authenticated and it came back bad and paid for it they would be entitled to refund the fees as well as full auction price/BP right?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

If I'm not mistaken, the Ty Cobb that was pulled also said "Pre-certified", but PSA said they had not looked at it or authenticated it in any way.... So I'd have to assume that heritage is just using PSA's likeness with this "pre-certified" crap... I believe that their guys look at it and if their in house guys think it is good they throw PSA's name on their..

Honestly... If you were sold a fake item and had it authenticated and it came back bad and paid for it they would be entitled to refund the fees as well as full auction price/BP right?

Fat chance of that I bet.

The Cobb ball was in preview and Heritage assumed, incorrectly, that PSA would authenticate it, so they said it was pre-certified. This DiMaggio ball is for sale, bids racing in, all the way up to $55. So what does pre-authenticate mean in a real auction, not a preview.

[GoldenAge50s]

There isn't a SINGLE letter from J to io in that sig that look good to me!!

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

How un-American can they get? This is still a free country last time I looked.

Richard,
Well not always so free! Land of the free and home of the all mighty dollar!

[thetruthisoutthere]

That is a horrible Joe DiMaggio and there is no way that PSA authenticated it.

[J.McMurry]

I think some auction houses are operating under what I call the car dealer philosophy,.. Promise 'em anything to make the sale and good luck to 'em collecting on any claims down the road.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That is a horrible Joe DiMaggio and there is no way that PSA authenticated it.

If that is true, that PSA did not authenticate it, than the entire system of authentication by pre-certification really stinks and it is not worth the paper that those PSA pre-certs are printed on.
If PSA did not authenticate it are they aware that Heritage uses the PSA name to verify an autograph?
Something really stinks here if PSA did not examine this autograph.
Something really stinks here if PSA did examine this autograph.
And I know some can make a stink that there is very little money involved in this item, but lets multiply that by who knows how often this might occur.
Heritage are you just slapping a PSA COA on any item you choose to, without any examination at all? If so, why is PSA allowing that?
We know that people from Heritage read this forum as they have responded to prior threads. I think perhaps some answers are in order now.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If that is true, that PSA did not authenticate it, than the entire system of authentication by pre-certification really stinks and it is not worth the paper that those PSA pre-certs are printed on.
If PSA did not authenticate it are they aware that Heritage uses the PSA name to verify an autograph?
Something really stinks here if PSA did not examine this autograph.
Something really stinks here if PSA did examine this autograph.
And I know some can make a stink that there is very little money involved in this item, but lets multiply that by who knows how often this might occur.
Heritage are you just slapping a PSA COA on any item you choose to, without any examination at all? If so, why is PSA allowing that?
We know that people from Heritage read this forum as they have responded to prior threads. I think perhaps some answers are in order now.

This aspect of B.S. in the autograph industry should be added to Travis's TPA "Bill of Rights".

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If that is true, that PSA did not authenticate it, than the entire system of authentication by pre-certification really stinks and it is not worth the paper that those PSA pre-certs are printed on.
If PSA did not authenticate it are they aware that Heritage uses the PSA name to verify an autograph?
Something really stinks here if PSA did not examine this autograph.
Something really stinks here if PSA did examine this autograph.
And I know some can make a stink that there is very little money involved in this item, but lets multiply that by who knows how often this might occur.
Heritage are you just slapping a PSA COA on any item you choose to, without any examination at all? If so, why is PSA allowing that?
We know that people from Heritage read this forum as they have responded to prior threads. I think perhaps some answers are in order now.

Very valid points,

Is it live or is it memorex? When is an item at heritage inspected and issued an loa or precertification, and when is it not?

they dropped the ball and i would love to hear an explanation too, but they have to come up with one first that they think will fly.

Let's hear it heritage!

And how does someone know for sure that psa did not authenticate that ball? It says so right on the auction listing, and it is not a 'preview' item, but a live item open for bidding. You have to take a listing at face value. It says precertified by psa, so it's precertified by PSA.

Chris Ivy said that the 'preview' items, that are not for sale, carried the phantom LOA's, not live items. This is a live item. So what is the excuse this week?

[Vintagedegu]

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