E-107 Breisch Fred Clarke

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Posted By: Dave

Anyone have any idea how much an E-107 Breich Williams Fred Clarke would be worth in Good condition. Also curious if I should get it PSA graded. Thanks for any input!

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Posted By: Dylan

There was a Fred Clarke in Augest of 2005 that sold for 3,600 on ebay but i have no idea what condition it was in. Due to the rarity of this set it is common for E107's to be graded by sgc or psa no matter how poor the condition is. There rarity alone makes them of value to collectors regardless of what shape there in. Old cardboard lists a VG common value at $950 however, like many of their E set listings, this is quite low. Earlier this month there was an E107 Addie Joss graded a PSA 1, though quite nice for the grade, (Ebay listing 130053070358) that sold for $5,368. Also an SGC 30 (PSA 2 equivalent) Eddie Plank sold for $13,000. I would definitaly recommend getting the Clarke graded by SGC or PSA.

-Edited to add old cardboard, and Plank, and Joss listings-

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Posted By: BcD

he was the first major league player to wear sun glasses in the outfield!



BcD

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Posted By: Dylan

Well BcD did you know that in Clarkes first game, he collected five hits in five at bats which is still a major league record??

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Dave,

That's a very nice find. No e107 HOFer is easy to come by, but the Clarke is certainly one of the tougher ones. A Clarke did show up on Ebay well over a year ago however it's condition was deplorable. A large group of e107s which seemingly had come from the same original collection were sold on Ebay at that time. Each card was uniformly coated with caramel spotting and large "punch holes" or tears could be seen at the top or bottom of each one. The Clarke, even in such bad shape, still went for somewhere around $3600, like Dylan said. If sent in for grading, I'm not convinced that your card would come back a "2", perhaps a 20 though. Still, in that shape, it could go anywhere in the 6k-8k range. Perhaps a little more if your card is able to get into a "2" holder.

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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)

You do not see very many E107 cards of Clarke out there.

I think that it will only grade a 1.

If you are ging to put it on ebay then definitely get it graded.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Here is the BEATER of which you speak!

What an ugly mofo of a card!

What idiot would overpay for this piece of crap?

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Hal, I paid for a couple of bad ones out of that group (Lajoie including), you weren't the only one

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Posted By: Dave

Hi Everyone,
I went up to SCG and had it graded today. It came back as a 10 (1). I am planning on putting it on eBay tonight, unless i receive a generous offer before then. If anyone has any questions, or would like to make an offer, please email me.

Thanks,

Dave

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Posted By: Paul

I don't think I'm in the running for this card, so I'll ask:

What's that stamp on the back of the card? It sure doesn't look like it says "Breisch Williams" to me.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

You will do better putting it up on ebay and letting it run the entire time.. Let the market decide the price. hese cards are "in play" right now..

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Posted By: Anonymous

Hi,
I think I am going to let it run, although I have had some very reasonable offers already! The stamp on the back says "Goerginia Agent / The Saturday Evening Post / Union St. Milton, Del." Not sure if it was originally placed on the stamp, or something afterwards. I tried researching this, but couldn't find either the company, nor anyone with a similar stamp. I will post the eBay link for everyone. Thanks for all your help!

Dave

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Posted By: Dave

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200060949805

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Posted By: Glen V

So basically this whole thread is free advertising for you?

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Posted By: Dave

Hi Glen,
That was never my intention. I had no clue as to value, and after receiving offers even before saying that I would take offers, I figured might as well get it graded and put it on. Never intended for it to work out that way, although I could see how someone could see that.

Take Care,

Dave

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Posted By: leon

Generally there isn't any personal advertising allowed on the main page. With that being said I think we can look at each case individually and make a decision on what is going on. I would be more strict if the same person did it twice, or it's posted by a regular board member, as it's not allowed....regards

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Posted By: Dave

Hi,
Didn't even realize that I wasn't allowed to advertise, however, as stated before, it was never my intention to advertise, just to keep everyone informed. Honestly, I was just looking for a value, since I haven't collected baseball cards in years (although I still do prize my 1968 Mickey Mantle). If you would like, feel free to remove the link. I had no intention to offend anyone or to break any rules. I just searched for information on this site and was amazed with the value. Figured I would keep everyone informed of what I was doing.

Regards,

Dave

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Posted By: JK

Dave,

Do you mind sharing how you acquired the card. Just curious if it was already in your collection or if you found it somehow (since you mentioned you havent collected in a long time, Im ruling out trades, auctions, etc.). Thanks.

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Posted By: Dave

Hi JK,
Its funny, no one is going to believe this. My father picked it up at a yard sale about 10 years ago for me, when I was a big collector. It came with a T206 card, however, that card is in pretty rough shape. I was recently going through my old things after my father passed away, and found this in the collection. Decided to research it about a week ago, and basically hit a brick wall, only able to identify it and get beckett value, although I never trusted that, even 10 years ago at their peak. Anyway, I couldn't really get any idea of what it was worth (if it was under 1k, I would probably have kept it), and came across this site. Decided to post after I received an email back from someone I talked to a few days prior who made me an offer that was well above what beckett has as value. Anyway, that's the history of it... it kind of fell into my lap.

Hope you enjoy, not to sure how often this happens.

-Dave

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Posted By: Dave

Oh, one note. I found this next to a book that my father had from 1636 of poetry from a B-rated writer that I sold on eBay a couple months ago... The most interesting thing is, the book was in better condition than this card! (Even the binding) He could always find the most amazing things at yard sales.

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Posted By: fkw

"George Neal - Agent
The Saturday Evening Post
Union St. Milton, Delaware"


very cool, Im going to call them "Saturday Evening Post" cards now

Leon, you need it for your backstamp typecard collection

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Posted By: Dave

LOL, although I would love to think it is an original stamp, and something really rare, I am a realist. It was probably put on after by some nimwit. Anyway, thanks for the chuckle, and deciphering, could not make out the "George Neal - Agent" part

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Posted By: fkw

I wasnt really kidding too much, I was serious to a degree....

The only reason these are connected at all to Breisch-Williams Candy is because of a similar purple backstamp "Breisch-Williams Co." found on the back of a small % of these cards. It is very similar to the one on yours.

You never know, it could be another "Old Put" or "Niagara Baking"

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I bid $3,600 on it since I paid that much for my other one and like this one a tiny bit better.

If I get this one, I will put my other one on EBay.

If I don't get this one, then at least nobody will get it for less that what it deserves to sell for.

If anyone wants it that bad, have at it. I'm pretty ambivalent either way.

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Posted By: leon

Frank- if it had it's own ACC # (backstamp wise) then I would go for it....

Hal- This one would sure look perty in your collection....nice upgrade...but I think it will go for a fair amount more...(not from me)

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Since I already own one...

I hope the darn thing sells for 20,000!

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Posted By: Bill Todd

...and cure my ignorance, the Deacon Phillipe in the other E-107 thread has a blank back. Did they come both ways?

Bill

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Posted By: barrysloate

Dave- great story, great card. But it isn't actually a tobacco card, it came with candy. I don't think that will affect the final price, however. Good luck with it.

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Posted By: DJ

Bill,

They come in three different back variations.

Blank, the Regular one and a Regular back with an overprint, which are very, VERY rare.

More more info:

http://www.oldcardboard.com/e/e1/e107/e107.asp?cardsetID=750

DJ

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Posted By: JK

that is a good story - and very fortunate for you. wish I could find stuff like that at yard sales (of course, it might help if I actually went to some first).

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Posted By: T206Collector

I once had a T206 card with a similar stamp on the back. I decided to do a little research. I didn't find out too much, but this is my correspondence with a gentleman from the Saturday Evening Post.

Dear Saturday Evening Post,

I collect tobacco baseball cards from 1909-11. Back in the early days
of collecting, collectors would sometimes stamp their names on the
back of these tobacco cards. I have come into possession of a
baseball tobacco card with the following stamped on the reverse:

John A. Anderson, Agent
The Saturday Evening Post
114 UNION AVENUE
Bath, Penna.

I was wondering if you could provide any insight into this stamp. Is
there any way to check/verify employment records for the Post going
back over the past 100 years? Was 114 Union Avenue in Bath,
Pennsylvania a significant office for the Post? What does the title,
"Agent" mean?

Any information you could provide would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your attention.


Sincerely,
Me

E-mail Response:

In the first half of the 20th century (and maybe the end of the 19th),
magazine subscriptions were sold door-to-door and distributed weekly mostly
by "POST Boys". These were boys between the ages of about 10 to about 14 who
made a little money or earned premiums (toys, sports equipment, bikes, etc.)
for doing the distribution. There were also adults who received the copies
and passed them along to the kids. I think all were called "agents". Since
this is a tobacco card, this may have been one of the adults.

The Curtis Publishing Company (then owner of the magazine) was located in
Philadelphia until the mid-1950's. It then moved corporate to New York and
in the late 1960's to here, in Indianapolis. If the records ever existed,
they are long gone. I assume the address was probably Mr. Anderson's home.
Perhaps, the county clerk for Bath, PA could give you some history of the
address.

There are several books on the history of the Curtis Publishing Company and
The Saturday Evening Post. You should be able to find them at you local
library.

Dwight E. Lamb
Production Manager
The Saturday Evening Post
1100 Waterway Blvd.
Indianapolis, IN 46202-2156
317-634-1100, ext.-313
Fax: 317-637-0126

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Posted By: robert a

Thanks Paul.

That's good info. I have a couple t206 with that stamp, but have never seen another issue with the same stamp.

I like to think that collector stamps reveal more about the issue then we give them credit for.

Rob

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Posted By: Cat

It always gives me a sinking feeling when I see that I will be bidding against Hal "the Market Maker" and JC.

It didn't take long to blitz to the $3,650 level!!!





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Posted By: Dave

Paul,
Mind if I use that email in my auction? Let me know.

Thanks,

Dave

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Posted By: Dave

Dave....
I don't think personally I'd worry with overloading the auction with tidbits. The people bidding on the card already have a sense for what it is or else that wouldn't be bidding to begin with. If it were me....i'd let it ride how it is now. To be at that figure with 6 days to go, your not hurting.

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Posted By: DJ

I agree with the above Dave. People who are bidding on the card know what they are buying. One of my pet peeves is when a seller overloads his auction with too much information.

Your auction will begin to look like one of those late night shopping channels that sell baseball cards and spend a whole five minutes doing all they can to sell you on the idea that they "need" something.

It is a sweet card though and you will do well.

An e107 mentioned already in the Forum over the past few days, this Clarke and now a hammered Flick on eBay. Is it about that time, after a long drought, that a few surface?

DJ

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Posted By: T206Collector

Dave,

You're free to use it, but it really won't augment the value of the card or its provenance. The fact that SGC has graded the card (and, of course, your feedback is good) is really all that matters at this point.

Given Hal's statement above and the fact that he's already placed his bid, you're going to do quite well, I assure you.

Paul

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Posted By: JK

I agree with dave and paul. this card sells itself.

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Posted By: Dave

Thanks for the pointers. I have never actually sold a baseball card on eBay, I have dealt more with big items such as cars and motorcycles (and of course, the random stuff around the house). I apprecite all the info everyone has given me, and that part about the Saturday Evening Post is especiialy interesting! I had no idea what that was about. Thanks everyone!

Dave

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Posted By: Dave

The second thing you need to think about...others may have different opinions.....but something that expensive I think I'd send UPS instead of dealing with the USPS.....I'm sure folks will disagree, just trying to collect on that if it got lost would be hell with the USPS

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Posted By: barrysloate

Completely disagree. Send it registered mail. Will never get lost, and since you are looking at about 10K worth of insurance, will cost less than half of what UPS will charge.

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Posted By: Dave

I haven't sent anything that high dollar before.....out of curiousity what does registered mail insure up to?

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Posted By: scott brockelman

99.9% safe and insurable to $25,000 and won't be hard to collect if lost. UPS and FED EX will not cover paper collectibles, despite what you may hear and collecting on a clain would be virtually impossible.

Scott

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Posted By: Dave

So out of sheer curiousity...since I'll never have one to sell.....if you had a T206 Johnson portrait in a PSA 9 like that one that went at auction....how would you send it if insurance won't cover up to that amount?

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Posted By: JK

You would privately insure it.

As for usps - I agree, but make sure its registered mail and not priority or express or some other lesser service.

As for ups - they will insure paper products and I have recovered on a baseball card that they lost - though the total covered amount was only around $700.

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Posted By: sagard

At some point a hand delivery of the product (or come and get it) is in order as well.

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Posted By: Wesley

That is true, sagard. At a certain point, it may be worthwhile to simply buy a plane ticket to pick up an expensive item. There are other concerns, however, such as getting robbed in a city you are unfamiliar with.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I'm so confident with registered mail that I would send packages valued over 25K that way and just insure them for the maximum allowed. Obviously, if you are sending 100K packages that's a much bigger risk, but I never send any that valuable. When I sent the T206 Plank from my last auction there was that card plus some others and the total value was over 40K. I still sent it registered, it cost me about $36 including postage and insurance, and it arrived safe and sound in about three days. UPS will insure up to 50K but you pay 35 cents per $100, so a 50K package will cost $175 to insure, and with shipping you are approaching $200- and I think it is less reliable.

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Posted By: Anonymous

The Hope diamond was donated to the Smithsonian, and shipped by Registered Mail.

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Posted By: robert a

When I finally sold my 89' Bowman set to Wesley, I hand delivered it.
We just decided we couldn't take the chance.

Rob