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Old 06-16-2017, 09:52 PM
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Are you referring to his Cup rookie or was it something else you saw? How could it drop by $6,000 - $7,000 USD after winning all these cups and awards? That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you saw one graded BGS 10 Pristine or one that was #'ed 87/87 or 87/99.
http://www.cardboardconnection.com/t...s-of-the-2000s

An article from a few years ago references sales at 10k. The only recent sales that I can find are the parallel /87 at 2900, 3300 and 5000. I am questioning if the true rookie /99 has really dropped. Does anyone have a link to completed sales for the RC /99?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:34 PM
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I was just looking at Crosby cards and as usual there are tons of versions even within Upper Deck. I also noticed this from 2 years earlier, minor league card but seems to be pretty high quality. Is it just junk?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-04-NHL-...sAAOSwezVW1Hwd
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Old 06-17-2017, 01:38 AM
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unless you're canadian (and even then)...if you want to invest in sports cards i would advise baseball all the way. i don't know anything about the vintage hockey scene, but would bet if hockey has 2x the last few years, than the postwar/prewar baseball market has 4x-5x in comparison.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:41 AM
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I was just looking at Crosby cards and as usual there are tons of versions even within Upper Deck. I also noticed this from 2 years earlier, minor league card but seems to be pretty high quality. Is it just junk?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-04-NHL-...sAAOSwezVW1Hwd
Surprisingly, being CDN and all, I don't know a lot about hockey cards and what is popular and what isn't, nor do I know the overall demand.

Personally, I would check out this site if I was wondering, wanting to learn more about Hockey related memorabilia and cards.
http://vintagehockeyforum.com/forum/main-forum
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:47 AM
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unless you're canadian (and even then)...if you want to invest in sports cards i would advise baseball all the way. i don't know anything about the vintage hockey scene, but would bet if hockey has 2x the last few years, than the postwar/prewar baseball market has 4x-5x in comparison.
I know that baseball cards are the best, and I'm not trying to dispute that here, but they have been expensive for a long time. In other words, for you to have made more money in baseball cards, you would have had to spend a lot more as well, and not all investors want to take a bigger risk by doing this. Anyways, it's always a good idea to diversify.
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Old 06-17-2017, 12:01 PM
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Anything can turn out to be a good investment if your timing is right. By far the best purchase I ever made in terms of a return were a bunch of Tiger Woods rookie sets just before he started on his tear of Grand Slams. Paid $9 each and for a while they were selling north of $300 lol. I have more than atoned by overpaying for stuff since.
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Baseball is always going to be king price wise, but I think some of the sports outside the big four and some non-sports have been "undervalued" forever. David Peck has written on here often about the sharp price appreciation of his Wrestling All-Star cards in recent years. Sure, none of the cards are $10,000 cards, but Mr. Peck has written that he never thought he would see some of his Wrestling All-Star cards climb to $1,000+. Some of the non-sports sets/cards outside the big four still have lots of room to grow, IMO.

I collect the 1972 STP racing set (which is where the card in my avatar comes from). Prices really seem to have risen on those cards over the past couple years.

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Anything can turn out to be a good investment if your timing is right. By far the best purchase I ever made in terms of a return were a bunch of Tiger Woods rookie sets just before he started on his tear of Grand Slams. Paid $9 each and for a while they were selling north of $300 lol. I have more than atoned by overpaying for stuff since.
Good job, Peter!

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Baseball is always going to be king price wise, but I think some of sports outside the big four and some non-sports have been "undervalued" forever. David Peck has written on here often about the sharp price appreciation of his Wrestling All-Star cards in recent years. Sure, none of the cards are $10,000 cards, but Mr. Peck has written that he never thought he would see some of his Wrestling All-Star cards climb to $1,000+. Some of the non-sports sets/cards outside the big four still have lots of room to grow, IMO.

I collect the 1972 STP racing set (which is where the card in my avatar comes from). Prices really seem to have risen on those cards over the past couple years.
Great post. Yes, there is still plenty of room for these cards to grow. By the way, what are the top 3 racing cards out there? I wouldn't mind picking them up!

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http://www.cardboardconnection.com/t...s-of-the-2000s

An article from a few years ago references sales at 10k. The only recent sales that I can find are the parallel /87 at 2900, 3300 and 5000. I am questioning if the true rookie /99 has really dropped. Does anyone have a link to completed sales for the RC /99?
It's all very confusing. According to my research, majority of hockey collectors prefer the base card (#'ed /99). The Gold version is considered an insert and is supposed to be worth less. And yes, it would be nice if someone on this forum could tell us about the prices on this card. Has it really dropped by $6,000+ even though he keeps winning? If so, that would be very shocking.

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One might think I'm biased because I never missed a home game when Lindros played for the Oshawa Generals, but ask most in the hockey world who have watched him or played with or against him and they'll tell you the same thing. He was determined, talented and highly skilled and brought to the game something that had never been seen before. He could not only handle his own, he could put the puck in the net as well.
https://www.nhl.com/news/eric-lindro...me/c-283567428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHw0SHaRB1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CZSGZenbc
I was too small when Lindros playing for Oshawa. I have always wanted to see his Oshawa games and I even contacted the Generals to see if they had any in their archives, but nope, nothing.
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I love talking racing cards. IMO, the top racing cards in the hobby are:

1. 1986 SportStar Photo-Graphic Dale Earnhardt
2. 1972 STP Fred Lorenzen with car (my avatar)
3. 1972 STP Bobby Allison
4. 1972 STP Richard Petty
5. Any of the Marhoefer Meats A.J. Foyt cards that were produced over a five-year period from 1961-1965
6. 1911 T36 Barney Oldfield
7. 1988 and 1989 MAXX Dale Earnhardt

Some of those cards (like the Lorenzen with car card and Bobby Allison card from the STP set are extreme rarities). The MAXX Dale Earnhardt cards are a bit like '52 Topps Mickey Mantle in that they are very easy to find, but those two cards are the cards most commonly thought of when someone says "auto racing card." I am still trying to pick up an Earnhardt SportStar Photo-Graphics card; I have lost out at auction a couple times over the past 2-3 years.

The '88 version of the Earnhardt MAXX card has a bit of a back story in that the card was not officially released in 1988 because MAXX could not come to an agreement with him. Some '88 Earnhardt cards were released without company consent and MAXX did then officially release 999 of the 1988 cards with a serial number several years later. Low grade and ungraded examples of the MAXX Earnhardt cards can be found fairly cheap on eBay.

Lorenzen with car from the 1972 STP set is a legendary rarity to the point that racing collector Jon Hardgrove wrote on the net54 non-sports board that he saw just one example of the card in 26 years of collecting. I bought some STP cards from a lady in her 70s in Connecticut a couple years ago, and she invited me to call her up on the phone to talk about the set. The STP cards were originally a free handout at the 1972 Daytona 500 (and possibly at Talladega that year as well).

For some reason, however, the Lorenzen with car card was not among those handed out at Daytona. The lady I talked with in Connecticut said it took her over 20 years of searching to find an example of the Lorenzen with car card, and that one had a pinhole in it.

The STP cards are an 11-card set; some cards in the set are very easy to find, and some cards in the set are near impossible. Within the past year, two Lorenzen with car cards actually showed up on eBay and about half a dozen Richard Petty 1972 STP cards have appeared on eBay. I like collecting racing because there are only a small handful of cards that sell for over $500 individually. The Lorenzen with car card may be the only racing card that sells for over $1,000 at auction.

The Petty card ftom the '72 STP set does show up several times a year, and can be had in the $150-200 range, unless the card is extremely high-grade.

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Good job, Peter!



Great post. Yes, there is still plenty of room for these cards to grow. By the way, what are the top 3 racing cards out there? I wouldn't mind picking them up!



It's all very confusing. According to my research, majority of hockey collectors prefer the base card (#'ed /99). The Gold version is considered an insert and is supposed to be worth less. And yes, it would be nice if someone on this forum could tell us about the prices on this card. Has it really dropped by $6,000+ even though he keeps winning? If so, that would be very shocking.



I was too small when Lindros playing for Oshawa. I have always wanted to see his Oshawa games and I even contacted the Generals to see if they had any in their archives, but nope, nothing.

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Here is a link to the vintage racing discussion on the main board. There is a ton of interesting discussion about the main racing sets and the major racing cards in the hobby in that thread.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220356
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