ebay seller - probstein123

[Sean1125]

Do these 86 fleers look shilled??

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=380788247091
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-87-Flee...p2047675.l2557

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Do these 86 fleers look shilled??

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=380788247091
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-87-Flee...p2047675.l2557

The first link isn't working, but I would have to say yes on the second one. When an item has 80 bids and 47 of them are from the same person (with only 15 feedback), it's not a good thing - not to mention the 7 feedback bidder that bid 13 times.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The first link isn't working, but I would have to say yes on the second one. When an item has 80 bids and 47 of them are from the same person (with only 15 feedback), it's not a good thing - not to mention the 7 feedback bidder that bid 13 times.

That was my set.

I placed no bids, had no one place a bid, nor did I care what it actually ended at as it is profit from a purchase.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

That was my set.

I placed no bids, had no one place a bid, nor did I care what it actually ended at as it is profit from a purchase.

That lot may not have been shilled, but what about the ones that have been proven to be shilled? What about the whole Panky situation where he's been caught multiple times shilling his own consignments? Sean, why does Rick let him continue to consign? Don't you see anything wrong with that? You know Rick, please ask him.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That lot may not have been shilled, but what about the ones that have been proven to be shilled? What about the whole Panky situation where he's been caught multiple times shilling his own consignments? Sean, why does Rick let him continue to consign? Don't you see anything wrong with that? You know Rick, please ask him.

Have you called and asked him? He posts his cell publicly.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Have you called and asked him? He posts his cell publicly.

I don't care to talk to that worthless piece of sh!t. His actions speak for themselves.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't care to talk to that worthless piece of sh!t. His actions speak for themselves.

You just verified that an auction you thought was shilled... Was not...

[slidekellyslide]

Anyone who doesn't believe there is rampant shilling in his auctions has their head in the sand. I don't care if it's him, the consignors or the boogey man...it's been obvious in many cases.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't care to talk to that worthless piece of sh!t. His actions speak for themselves.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That lot may not have been shilled, but what about the ones that have been proven to be shilled? What about the whole Panky situation where he's been caught multiple times shilling his own consignments? Sean, why does Rick let him continue to consign? Don't you see anything wrong with that? You know Rick, please ask him.

I'm not defending Rick or blasting anyone here, I just want to know if there is any truth to this claim. If there is, I would like to see some sort of evidence to this claim. It is a fairly serious accusation.

[jimjim]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

That was my set.

I placed no bids, had no one place a bid, nor did I care what it actually ended at as it is profit from a purchase.

That means nothing. Just because you personally didn't shill the auction, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Probstein has skin in the game, so it is in his best interest to get the highest fee possible. Plus it shows possible future customers that he can get top dollar for items.

I bet that if you sold the same item yourself that you would have had a much lower selling price. And don't tell me it is because of return customers. I have been buying/selling on eBay for 14 years, and buyers purchase based on the item and price. Seller reputation only goes so far, in my opinion.

Ma.tt Wy.llie

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by jimjim

And don't tell me it is because of return customers. I have been buying/selling on eBay for 14 years, and buyers purchase based on the item and price. Seller reputation only goes so far, in my opinion.

+1

[Leon]

Two choices for everyone in this thread. If your full name is not in your post then you need to put it. If you don't then I will tomorrow morning, per the rules...... Or you can edit your comments out. (If your comment was not any kind of an opinion then it's not mandatory)....Thanks

btw, this is the first I have seen of this thread. Believe it or not I don't read every single one. Folks can PM me for any anonymous issues on the board....and your PM will stay private....

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Leon

Two choices for everyone in this thread. If your full name is not in your post then you need to put it. If you don't then I will tomorrow morning, per the rules...... Or you can edit your comments out. Thanks

btw, this is the first I have seen of this thread. Believe it or not I don't read every single one. Folks can PM me for any anonymous issues on the board....and your PM will stay private....

Just how many peasants do you own?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by jimjim

That means nothing. Just because you personally didn't shill the auction, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Probstein has skin in the game, so it is in his best interest to get the highest fee possible. Plus it shows possible future customers that he can get top dollar for items.

I bet that if you sold the same item yourself that you would have had a much lower selling price. And don't tell me it is because of return customers. I have been buying/selling on eBay for 14 years, and buyers purchase based on the item and price. Seller reputation only goes so far, in my opinion.

So are you saying Probstein shills his own auctions or asks someone to shill his auctions for him?

[jimjim]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

So are you saying Probstein shills his own auctions or asks someone to shill his auctions for him?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that he gets higher prices on his auctions for items than other sellers.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by jimjim

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that he gets higher prices on his auctions for items than other sellers.

I bet that if you sold the same item yourself that you would have had a much lower selling price. And don't tell me it is because of return customers. I have been buying/selling on eBay for 14 years, and buyers purchase based on the item and price. Seller reputation only goes so far, in my opinion.

So if return customers aren't the reason for that item selling for the price it did... What is it?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

That was my set.

I placed no bids, had no one place a bid, nor did I care what it actually ended at as it is profit from a purchase.

Sean,

Can you see the actual ebay id's that bid so many times in this auction, and if so, can you (or Rick) out it?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by glchen

Sean,

Can you see the actual ebay id's that bid so many times in this auction, and if so, can you (or Rick) out it?

I can't see the ID's.

[Michael B]

It seems that Sean wants to defend Probstein and he is welcome to do that in my opinion. I would like to point out that it is not always shill bidding that is the issue. I pointed out a very glaring error/ intentionally incorrect listing with 5 days remaining in the auction and he did not change it. This despite the fact that he acknowledge the error. A, in my opinion, $1.00 Bill Russell baseball player signature slabbed by Please Suck Another / Don't Never Ask is listed as a Bill Russell Boston Celtics signature and sells for hundreds more than it is worth. The slabbers did nothing wrong as it was what appears to be a genuine Bill Russell signature. It was the ebay seller, who despite being informed of the error, made no attempt to correct the listing. You will notice in the thread I started that Sean limply attempts to defend him. The point is not that the item can be returned. The point is that it should not have happened in the first place.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=175031

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Michael B

It seems that Sean wants to defend Probstein and he is welcome to do that in my opinion. I would like to point out that it is not always shill bidding that is the issue. I pointed out a very glaring error/ intentionally incorrect listing with 5 days remaining in the auction and he did not change it. This despite the fact that he acknowledge the error. A, in my opinion, $1.00 Bill Russell baseball player signature slabbed by Please Suck Another / Don't Never Ask is listed as a Bill Russell Boston Celtics signature and sells for hundreds more than it is worth. The slabbers did nothing wrong as it was what appears to be a genuine Bill Russell signature. It was the ebay seller, who despite being informed of the error, made no attempt to correct the listing. You will notice in the thread I started that Sean limply attempts to defend him. The point is not that the item can be returned. The point is that it should not have happened in the first place.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=175031

What follows is not a defense for or of Rick. I would call it something I view as a flaw and a reason I am dissatisfied with some of the service I receive.

Rick is "too busy" for anything that isn't a multi thousand dollar piece. He would rather eat a return that will cause him to be out less money than if he spent the time not listing the higher end items he receives.