Mantle photo opinions

[GrayGhost]

My buddy just got a collection in his store, w some autographs and cards. What do you guys think of this Mantle? GAI apparently. any help appreciated.Sorry pic isn't larger.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Definitely not "The Mick's" autograph.

[GrayGhost]

Oh Boy...Thats what I was afraid of.

[mschwade]

I need to post photos of my grandmother's Mantle signed photo and signed ball she is going to leave me to make sure its authentic. I think she bought it at a card show back in the mid 80's.

[RichardSimon]

Looks like a familiar picture to me.
Probably available right now on the net for about $9.99 plus $13 shipping.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Looks like a familiar picture to me.
Probably available right now on the net for about $9.99 plus $13 shipping.

Well, it nearly caused a fight w my buddy and I. He has lots of years experience, etc. I said I was trying to help, not stir stuff up. I ended up just telling him some experts didn't like it, but nobody is always right. That I guess satisfied him. Wish It was real tho, sure doesn't appear so.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Well, it nearly caused a fight w my buddy and I. He has lots of years experience, etc. I said I was trying to help, not stir stuff up. I ended up just telling him some experts didn't like it, but nobody is always right. That I guess satisfied him. Wish It was real tho, sure doesn't appear so.

Scott, does your friend own a hobby store?

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Scott, does your friend own a hobby store?

yeah, but he deals mainly in newer cards, and wrestling stuff, BUT has a nice selection of older cards/memorabilia and has had some nice autos, incl Stengel and Other Mantle's Jordan, Montana, etc. Those were JSA or UDA or PSA tho, or definitely legit items.

He just missed tho, and said he knew GAI was a well respected authenticator. Of course, that was the "old GAI" right?

[travrosty]

maybe, the old, old gai, when they first started out, then the regular gai has a horrible track record, then they went bankrupt, now its global authentic who acquired their assets and reorganized under their own brand, but continue to maintain the old gai database.

[ss]

And the Mantle signature is still a horrible forgery..

[RichardSimon]

And there are about 10,000+ forgeries that look exactly like that one out there in the market right now.
And you can still buy one today for a very, very cheap price + $double digit shipping per photo.

[GrayGhost]

Thanks for confirming what I figured, but I can do nothing else, without losing a friend over this.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Thanks for confirming what I figured, but I can do nothing else, without losing a friend over this.

Scott, what about directing him to a few of the many links about those GAI forgeries (The Mike Baker Collection) or those certed by Morales and Ted Taylor.

[GrayGhost]

He likely won't listen. He has pride on knowing good autographs. I think its a losing situation, sadly

[thetruthisoutthere]

This is amusing at best. Love this seller's Ebay ID: "Guaranteed_authentic_sports_autographs."

And then he sells crap like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item4cf9b561c2

The "Buy It Now" price is $49.00. Certed by GAI.

GAM.jpg

[thetruthisoutthere]

Who bids on garbage like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...:B:WNA:US:1123

GAM-1.jpg

[GrayGhost]

18 bids on that? My God, that is HIDEOUS. Its the same story Chris. People are morons, and don't know a Mantle autograph from a Mickey Mouse autograph. NO excuse to not do research and stuff before committing to a purchase like that.

Of course, the forgers and garbage dealers just keep right on existing too.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

This is amusing at best. Love this seller's Ebay ID: "Guaranteed_authentic_sports_autographs."

And then he sells crap like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item4cf9b561c2

The "Buy It Now" price is $49.00. Certed by GAI.

Attachment 44903

How can he call himself guaranteed autographs when his selling list has tabasco sauce, recipe books, lithos, cards and almost all unsigned items?
Only on ebay do things like this happen, $50 Mantle's from tabasco sauce sellers. I don't think they sell tabasco sauce on the site where he bought this crap.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

How can he call himself guaranteed autographs when his selling list has tabasco sauce, recipe books, lithos, cards and almost all unsigned items?
Only on ebay do things like this happen, $50 Mantle's from tabasco sauce sellers.

That's too funny, Richard.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Now this is totally ridiculous and it comes from that "other" auction site. Someone took a vintage Yankees team photo and miraculously got Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford to sign it.. And certed by Document Examiner, Drew Max (AAU). What a total piece of garbage.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Gam-4.jpg

Gam-5.jpg

[campyfan39]

Can you guys describe/educate for me what is bad? I see it on the ball worse than the photo. I have a ball my dad got in the 80's from a trusted dealer that is not authenticated and I am scared to get it checked out now that dad has passed on and passed it down.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

Can you guys describe/educate for me what is bad? I see it on the ball worse than the photo. I have a ball my dad got in the 80's from a trusted dealer that is not authenticated and I am scared to get it checked out now that dad has passed on and passed it down.

Post a photo of it, Campy.

[campyfan39]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but here are pics. Please be kind even if you think its fake. My father believed it was real and Mick was his hero. It was bought from an honest dealer in NC whom I recently spoke to. He claimed to have gotten it signed at a card show himself.,

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

Don't mean to hijack this thread but here are pics. Please be kind even if you think its fake. My father believed it was real and Mick was his hero. It was bought from an honest dealer in NC whom I recently spoke to. He claimed to have gotten it signed at a card show himself.,

Campy, that's a good Mantle.

[campyfan39]

I really, really hope so though of course I would never sell it and plan to pass it on to my sons. Can you tell me why you come to that conclusion.
BTW Thanks

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I really, really hope so though of course I would never sell it and plan to pass it on to my sons. Can you tell me why you come to that conclusion.
BTW Thanks

If you want to educate yourself with certain autographs then I recommend that you study them. It takes time to learn autographs. Below is a good example of a Mantle forgery. The forger attempted to emulate the Mantle signature that you own.

AAU1.jpg

[GrayGhost]

Campy, go on ebay, and study Mantle sigs authenticated by PSA or JSA, for starters. Also, search on here for various Mantle threads. Its just studying and education. I still am not confident in many sigs, but people Like Chris, Richard Simon, David Atkatz and others on here have been an invaluable help.

[campyfan39]

Thanks guys,
I def see the difference in the balls, not as much in the photo.
Thanks

[brickyardkennedy]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That's too funny, Richard.

+1

[thetruthisoutthere]

Look at this piece of garbage that sold for $275.00.

Gam-20.jpg

[thetruthisoutthere]

And this mess.

Gam-21.jpg

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Thanks for confirming what I figured, but I can do nothing else, without losing a friend over this.

You can tell him Fudd, the Lowly Mantle collector, has NEVER seen that particular 8x 10 photo (pose) with an authentic signed Mantle. Every damned one I have seen for the past 5 years has been a forgery authenticated by the Big 4 of FAKES, FRAUDS & FORGERIES. GAI, STAT (TTA), Christopher Moral ASS, and Dr Birdsick. That one in question is an unquestionable fake. Tell him to call FUDD. I'll straighten s*** out down there with your friend liver lips.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

This is amusing at best. Love this seller's Ebay ID: "Guaranteed_authentic_sports_autographs."

And then he sells crap like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item4cf9b561c2

The "Buy It Now" price is $49.00. Certed by GAI.

Attachment 44903

a beautiful Shakey Shantle though?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Now this is totally ridiculous and it comes from that "other" auction site. Someone took a vintage Yankees team photo and miraculously got Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford to sign it.. And certed by Document Examiner, Drew Max (AAU). What a total piece of garbage.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Attachment 44912

Attachment 44913

another beauty certed by Drew MAX AAU...just horrible. This hobby, and I use that term loosely has jumped so far over the shark it's not even funny anymore.

[RichardSimon]

Chuck - you have to stop your beating around the bush posts.
TELL us what you really think .
Keep it up Chuck,,, we luv ya.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I really, really hope so though of course I would never sell it and plan to pass it on to my sons. Can you tell me why you come to that conclusion.
BTW Thanks

and that's exactly what I'd do...the ball is good as gold and so is the signature.

These are the kinds of things that are lost to people that the forgers could care less about. They have no conscience. I think that was my motivation in spending countless hours of studying, watching Chris's videos, asking questions on boards, until I could spot a forgery a mile away. The last thing I want for my grandkids are tainted memories of Gramps getting ripped off & passing down worthless forgeries. It is fair to assume the 35 + Mantle pictures and 6 balls are going nowhere in my lifetime.

[packs]

What about these Mantles? They have been authenticated by PSA but look horrible. Are they actually authentic? Signed in a hurry? Never seen Mantles like these two. The second one is signed Mickl Mant:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item5887a45103

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item35b0093ac1

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

The one in blue ink was signed in 1958-early 1959. The one in red ink was signed in the 1960's. Mantle had at least 11 different signature variations during his lifetime. The majority of his signature experimentation occurred during his first decade in the majors.

[packs]

Ah very interesting. In case a board member owns one of the cards I should clarify that when I said horrible I meant aesthetically.

[mschwade]

Alright guys.. sorry about the quality of the photos, took them with my iPhone today. This is the Mantle piece I was talking about that my grandmother bought at a card show in the mid-80's. They came together as a photo plague with ball holder (common in the 80's). What do you think on these?





Thanks in advance guys, hopefully you guys have some good news about these.

Matt

[David Atkatz]

Sorry, Matt. They're both bad.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Sorry, Matt. They're both bad.

Ugh, how long do forgeries go back?! Thought for sure that back in the mid-80's, it'd probably be safe. Thanks DA

[mr2686]

Matt, I don't remember ever seeing stuff this bad in the mid eighties...any chance she got it in the mid nineties?

[mschwade]

No.. I asked and she got it in 1987.

[GrayGhost]

Sorry Matt, not close. if Gram is still alive, don't ever tell her'. Itd break her heart

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Sorry Matt, not close. if Gram is still alive, don't ever tell her'. Itd break her heart

Don't worry, already thought about that. No way I am telling her! Thanks guys

[RichardSimon]

Horrible nightmares,,, these are the worst.