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Default Carolina Brights scratched out

I just find it interesting that with the controversy over whether or not Ty Cobb backs are legitimate T206s (glossy front, etc.) the only true T206 back among the three listed is the one that is scratched out.
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I just find it interesting that with the controversy over whether or not Ty Cobb backs are legitimate T206s (glossy front, etc.) the only true T206 back among the three listed is the one that is scratched out.
This index card came from the estate of Corson through Dr. James Lowe. I think they were very good/best friends for a long time. There is so much about the history of the hobby we don't know. There really isn't a ton of stuff out there. Of course Burdick is studied quite a bit but not so much the other forefathers of the hobby. And it wasn't Wharton-Tigar though that was a good guess. And no "spraying and praying" of names just to try to win. So far the guesses have been legit. (right Teddy?)
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Leon, I'm going to have to dispute you on this. Hustler was among the T206 brands that Burdick listed in the 1939 United States Card Catalog (when the set was catalogued as #521). It was also listed among the brands for the set in the checklist that Burdick published in Card Collectors Bulletin in 1941, with the extensive assistance of Lionel Carter, including an analysis of the backs that was originally done by Howard M. Myers in May 1938. So I think Myers might have been the original source of the Hustler mistake, which I don't think was corrected until the 1960 ACC. I think Corson's index card was listing the cards or backs he still needed from each set; he scratched off Carolina Brights when he got one, but he never got a Ty Cobb (because it's super rare) or a Hustler (because it doesn't exist).

The following post of mine includes the relevant page from the 1939 USCC and the 1941 CCB article, plus some later CCB articles.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=203207

FYI, here is my post about Walt Corson from a couple of years ago. He was definitely studying T206 in 1945, when he wrote the Card Collectors Bulletin article about the issue dates of the set that's included in this post. That article was later reprinted in Sport Hobbyist several times.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=232220

The issue dates from that article were included in the T206 checklist that Frank Nagy published in Sport Hobbyist in 1962, which was reprinted many times over the next 15 years. Nagy bought Corson's card collection soon after that. I discussed Nagy's 1962 T206 checklist in this thread:

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=203207
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If nothing else you deserve the award for your tireless, and appreciated efforts, on the study of the hobby and posting of such on our forum. I have an errand for about 3 hours I have to run to, in about 15 minutes, so will be away. But 2 things. What are you disputing I said? And what would your guess be, if you make one? Thanks for all you do....


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Leon, I'm going to have to dispute you on this. Hustler was among the T206 brands that Burdick listed in the 1939 United States Card Catalog (when the set was catalogued as #521). It was also listed among the brands for the set in the checklist that Burdick published in Card Collectors Bulletin in 1941, with the extensive assistance of Lionel Carter, including an analysis of the backs that was originally done by Howard M. Myers in May 1938. So I think Myers might have been the original source of the Hustler mistake, which I don't think was corrected until the 1960 ACC. I think Corson's index card was listing the cards or backs he still needed from each set; he scratched off Carolina Brights when he got one, but he never got a Ty Cobb (because it's super rare) or a Hustler (because it doesn't exist).

The following post of mine includes the relevant page from the 1939 USCC and the 1941 CCB article, plus some later CCB articles.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=203207

FYI, here is my post about Walt Corson from a couple of years ago. He was definitely studying T206 in 1945, when he wrote the Card Collectors Bulletin article about the issue dates of the set that's included in this post. That article was later reprinted in Sport Hobbyist several times.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=232220

The issue dates from that article were included in the T206 checklist that Frank Nagy published in Sport Hobbyist in 1962, which was reprinted many times over the next 15 years. Nagy bought Corson's card collection soon after that. I discussed Nagy's 1962 T206 checklist in this thread:

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=203207
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If nothing else you deserve the award for your tireless, and appreciated efforts, on the study of the hobby and posting of such on our forum. I have an errand for about 3 hours I have to run to, in about 15 minutes, so will be away. But 2 things. What are you disputing I said? And what would your guess be, if you make one? Thanks for all you do....
Oh, I thought you were saying that Walt Corson started the Hustler rumor, but now I see that you said he just perpetuated it. My guess would be that Howard M. Myers started the Hustler rumor in 1938, and Burdick then picked it up and published it in 1939 and 1941.
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Oh, I thought you were saying that Walt Corson started the Hustler rumor, but now I see that you said he just perpetuated it. My guess would be that Howard M. Myers started the Hustler rumor in 1938, and Burdick then picked it up and published it in 1939 and 1941.
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Default Based the answer on.....credit given for list from 1938, predating ACC by 1 yr.

This was posted before but not that particular page. It is a circa 1942 book of checklists, I believe. Either that or a Card Collectors Bulletin that is unnumbered as far as I can tell. There could be an earlier reference to Hustler brand T206 but this is the earliest I have seen. Good guess, David.


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Leon, are you going to have any of these documents at the National? And, if so, will you allow anyone to carefully research some items?

I guess my real question is, can I look through it for information on a particular 19th century non-sports set?
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