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Old 02-06-2007, 07:22 PM
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Posted By: robert a

Try to stick to one or two cards from each person.
I'll start with Doyle throwing and Knabe.



Here's the checklist:

(1) Jack Barry s.s. Phila. Am............................(x)
(2) Harry Bemis c. Cleveland Amer.
(3) Chief Bender (white hat) p. Phila. Am...............(x)
(4) Chief Bender (striped hat) p. Phila. Am............(x)
(5) Bill Bergen c. Brooklyn Nat'l.......................(x)
(6) Bob Bescher c.f. Cincinnati Nat'l.....................(x)
(7) Al Bridwell s.s. N. Y. Nat'l........................(x)
(8) Doc Casey 3b Brooklyn Nat'l..........................(x)
(9) Frank Chance 1b Chicago Nat'l.........................(x)
(10) Hal Chase 1b New York Am.
(11) Ty Cobb c.f. Detroit Am.........................(x)
(12) Eddie Collins 2b Phila. Am...........................(x)
(13) Sam Crawford c.f. Detroit Am......................(x)
(14) Harry Davis 1b Phila. Amer.
(15) Art Devlin 3b New York Nat'l
(16) Wild Bill Donovan p. Detroit Amer....................(x)
(17) Red Dooin c. Phila. Nat...........................(x)
(18) Mickey Doolan s.s. Phila Nat'l
(19) Patsy Dougherty l.f. Chicago Am.
(20) Larry Doyle (with bat) 2b New York Nat'l
(21) Larry Doyle (throwing) 2b New York Nat'l........(x)
(22) Johnny Evers 2b. Chicago Nat.
(23) George Gibson c. Pittsburg Nat'l.....................(x)
(24) Topsy Hartsel l.f. Phila. Am.
(25) Fred Jacklitsch c. Phila. Nat......................(x)
(26) Hugh Jennings Mgr. Detroit Am.
(27) Red Kleinow c. New York Am.
(28) Otto Knabe 2b Phil. Nat.........................(x)
(29) Jack Knight s.s. New York Am........................(x)
(30) Nap Lajoie 2b Cleveland Amer..........................(x)
(31) Hans Lobert 3b Cincinnati Nat'l
(32) Sherry Magee c.f Phila Nat'l
(33) Christy Matthewson (Mathewson) p. N. Y. Nat'l...........(x)
(34) John McGraw Mgr. N. Y. Nat'l
(35) Larry McLean c. Cincinnati Nat'l
(36) Dots Miller (batting) 2b Pittsburg Nat'l
(37) Dots Miller (fielding) 2b Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x)
(38) Danny Murphy r.f. Phila. Amer..............................(x)
(39) Bill O'Hara r.f. St. Louis Nat'l
(40) Germany Schaefer 2b Wash. Am..................................(x)
(41) Admiral Schlei c. New York Nat'l............................(x)
(42) Boss Schmidt c. Detroit Amer.
(43) Johnny Seigle r.f. Cincinnati Nat'l.........................(x)
(44) Dave Shean 2b Boston Nat'l...................................(x)
(45) Boss Smith (Schmidt) c. Detroit Amer.........................(x)
(46) Joe Tinker s.s. Chicago Nat'l
(47) Honus Wagner (batting) s.s. Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x)
(48) Houns Wagner (throwing) s.s. Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x)
(49) Cy Young p. Cleveland Amer...................................(x)
(50) Heinie Zimmerman 2b Chicago Nat'l............................(x)

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Old 02-06-2007, 07:25 PM
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my only one.

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Old 02-06-2007, 07:29 PM
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raw is still good too....

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My only one.

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Old 02-06-2007, 07:35 PM
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:40 PM
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:48 PM
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here's my one!

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Old 02-06-2007, 08:24 PM
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:05 AM
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Just recently picked up this one

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Old 02-07-2007, 05:54 AM
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Does anyone notice a pattern that almost all of the cards have big bottom borders.....?

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Old 02-07-2007, 06:51 AM
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Old 02-07-2007, 07:17 AM
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Bob, Nice image on that Bender.

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They are raw and they are rough...

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Mark Cy Young off the list.

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Another big-bottom-border --- love the red background and green sleeves --



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Old 02-07-2007, 01:58 PM
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I have yet to see another ghost image on an e101 like the Bergen.

My personal collection - http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/

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Old 02-07-2007, 02:15 PM
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Posted By: Joe D.

Very cool thread... and it is leading to more answers or maybe more questions regarding the e101.

I recently emailed Barry and asked him his opinion on what appears to be printer's marks (cross-hairs) on my Matty e101.

I was wondering what these marks were (a proof)?


Looking at the other cards, you can see the cross-hairs in:
The Matty I posted (hard to see from my small scan)
Peter Ullman's - Bridwell (look at top, bottom, right.... the marks on the Matty I have are identical)
Andrew's - Wagner

maybe (hard to see from scan):
Bob Shannon's - Bescher
Bill K's - Bergen


Does anyone have an idea what these marks might be?

And why they might be on some of the e101s and not others?

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Old 02-07-2007, 02:21 PM
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Joe- interesting question, since you are a printer too !

Do printers need to put certain marks at different points on a sheet during the printing process? I ask this question because these are clearly regular issue cards and not proofs. But at the same time these marks are not accidental.

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Old 02-07-2007, 02:25 PM
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Posted By: Joe Jones

I have seen those marks on other caramel issues as well, like E95.

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Old 02-07-2007, 02:43 PM
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Posted By: Joe D.

barry,

any marks should be outside of the live art area.

but there are times that you may be limited in the size of the paper - and have to put marks in the live area .

the marks help you with lineup (colors)

In certain instances say when you print envelopes and the paper is already at the finished size (its an envelope), you would put the marks in the live area and then polish them out (basically erase them from the plate) when you have everything in fit. Or if for some reason you are running say a letterhead / and are starting with Letterhead sized paper.

So, I guess an explanation would be that these cards were run on a sheet just the right size... not big enough to support the crop marks and register marks. The register marks were put in the live area - and were polished out after they fit the colors. The marks probably were placed on four cards on the sheed (top middle / bottom middle / left middle / right middle)... but it could have been placed in fewer or more spots on the sheet (who knows?).

Normal process today would be to run enough sheets so that you can throw away the make-ready sheets (the sheets that had the mark in the live area before you fit the colors / polished out the marks / and proceeded with the print run). The extra sheets would allow you to have the quantity needed... but I guess the cards with the register marks (back in the early 1900s) were not thrown away or at least a bunch of them slipped through the cracks and made their way into distribution (and are now in SGC and PSA slabs).

Not knowing the history of the e-card printing / that would be my guess.


Edit to add: I still have my doubts that what I mention above explains the marks... mainly because these marks would appear in all of the colors, but in the cards shown - the marks are consistently just in the black ink. (possible that they didn't polish out the black marks for some reason... could be as simple as the pressman forgot to do the polish out on that particular plate - but did polish out the rest) Also, I am not sure I could envision putting marks that close to the top and bottom borders on the card (top/bottom of the horizontal cards)... it just seems you would risk polishing out part of the image area and may have to make a new plate. A nice open area would make for an easier polish out.

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Old 02-07-2007, 03:29 PM
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Good analysis, Joe.
I think every E90-1 Cy Young, Boston I've ever had have had those marks.

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Here's my contribution:

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to make the photo set will be??

I have a pretty good suspicion as to who the player will be.

Scott

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Can anyone explain why the players with 2 cards are Wagner, Bender, Miller, & Doyle? Were those considered the top players at the time?

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Fred!!

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Old 02-08-2007, 08:47 PM
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Chance and "Smith"



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Old 02-08-2007, 08:56 PM
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Almost every card has a fat bottom.

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all except for the trimmed ones! undervalued, miscut and oversized! Which card will be last? Is Miller w/glove tough?

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Old 02-10-2007, 12:00 PM
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Posted By: robert a

Thanks Tim for bumping this!

This thread is the first time I've seen certain cards like Casey and Barry. There's a lot of great poses in this set and I've learned a few things about the set from you guys. Thanks for your contributions.

You guys that have already posted that happen to have more cards from the set...can you help us finish it off? I think maybe we're almost tapped out?

Mike Ernst...where are you?

Rob

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The back's a little hurtin', but the front presents reasonably well.

Regards,
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Another Fat Bottom E101... (with apologies to Queen since every good N54 thread needs a music reference in it)

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Two more. Usually paper loss on front is a killer for me, but I still like this Miller card because it is kind of a minor classic in collecting.

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