Western Association Old Judges

[pro9]

I know it's not an OJ, but it is a Sioux City player (Weber) from that time period.

[Angyale]

Didnt remember he was with KC. Guess I have 2 WAs.

Angyale

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by Angyale

Didnt remember he was with KC. Guess I have 2 WAs.

Angyale

Hello Eric,

Great card of Hamilton, but his debut in 1889 was with the American Association Kansas City Cowboys. The Western Association KC Blues had folded by 1889 and can only be found in the Old Judge set in 1888. In 1888, there would be both American Association (KC Cowboys) and Western Association (KC Blues) cards in the set. Goodwin & Co. didn't help the consumers/collectors by signifying the difference between these two teams like they did for other duplications within a city (Chicago cards are either listed as "Chicago" for NL or "Chicago Maroons" for WA, St. Louis cards are either listed "St. Louis" or "St. Louis Browns" for NL or "St Louis Whites" for WA).

Originally Posted by pro9

Jay, are there WA N173's?

There are N173 cards for WA teams, but as Jay stated, they didn't have the same following as the popular players from big cities so they are few and far between. I think I've seen N173 examples from just about all the Western Association teams, one currently being auctioned by REA (1888 Hunkey Hines N173).

Love all the nice Fb cards posted by Jay, Kevin, and others. An interesting note on Kevin's Kansas City Blues, the last three (Gunson, Reynolds, and Swartzel) would all move to the AA KC Cowboys in 1889. Each of them would have their 1888 photos with the Blues re-issued in 1889, then as Cowboys. While the 1889 AA KC cards are relatively easy, those Fb KC Blues can be very tough.

[Joe_G.]

Love the Klusman progression Jay, love the Kansas City collection Rob (especially the Pete Conway cabinet).

Figure I should contribute. I gave up on collecting WA long ago, sold and traded away what few I had. The examples I now have typically came as part of package deal while trying to obtain a Detroit card. I only have one Fb, all the rest being Fc (not surprising). I'll also post the Fa vs Fb vs Fc cheat sheet that I previously shared to help those that might be scratching their heads.

[Kenny Cole]

My few

[oldjudge]

Kenny-A beautiful Lowe and some nice HOFers.
Joe--Was that Nicholson-Maroons ever yours? That is a scarce one
I thought I would add a nice card for our Denver fans:

[oldjudge]

BTW, as an aside, even though all of Ted Kennedy's 1889 cards list him with Omaha, he in fact spent the entire season with Des Moines. He started the 1888 season with Des Moines, then moved to Omaha later that year. For 1889 he returned to Des Moines. As far as I can tell, Goodwin and Co never picked up the move back to Des Moines. Please correct your Old Judge book bios as we incorrectly had him spending 1889 with the Omahogs.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Joe--Was that Nicholson-Maroons ever yours? That is a scarce one
I thought I would add a nice card for our Denver fans:

That isn't a Dave Rowe you see everyday, beautiful!

I've had Maroons but none of the real tough ones, certainly no Nicholson.

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by pro9

I know it's not an OJ, but it is a Sioux City player (Weber) from that time period.

That's a beauty, Elliot!

[oldjudge]

Great cabinet! It makes you wish that Goodwin had included more portraits in the set. You should pick up an Old Judge as a companion piece.

[pro9]

Jay, are there WA N173's?

[oldjudge]

There are Western Association N173s that were issued in both 1888 and 1889. They are less common than N173s from NL or AA teams, however. Since N173s could be ordered from checklists included in Old Judge packs, cabinets representing teams from large population cities are amongst the most common.

[oldjudge]

Another 1888 Des Moines for the group

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Another 1888 Des Moines for the group

Geez, it doesn't get much better than that!

I would have posted these sooner, but we retirees do have to play golf, you know!

1888 Omaha Omahogs

and

1888 Chicago Maroons