David Hall's complete t206 collection

[chriskim]

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW.

No, what is sad is that the first time his company was paid to give an opinion on a card, they got it wrong, and nobody seems to care.

Doug "but I'm sure all of the opinions noted on his slabs are correct" Goodman

[RedsFan1941]

nobody seems to care? what are you talking about? many many people have criticized PSA for that for years and years.

[CMIZ5290]

Yes, I agree with this. This card has been crucified for years and years. Pertaining David's collection, it is unbelievable! Also, please keep in mind, David bought a ton of SGC graded cards as well.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Nobody who has bought it seems to care. And there is zero doubt Kendrick could sell it at a huge profit today. And I am guessing Doug's point is a broader one -- PSA started out getting one of the biggest cards in the hobby 100 percent wrong, but it hasn't impacted its business at all.

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody who has bought it seems to care. And there is zero doubt Kendrick could sell it at a huge profit today.

And therein lies the crux. Put aside some of the current scandals, if we take the most iconic card in the hobby, acknowledge that it is altered, and it has gone up in value by (millions) of dollars - the whole point of proceedings, particularly civil, is based upon the idea of there being "damages" that can be quantified. In the Wagner case, damages cannot be asserted

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Yes, I agree with this. This card has been crucified for years and years. Pertaining David's collection, it is unbelievable! Also, please keep in mind, David bought a ton of SGC graded cards as well.....

He probably didn't want all over graded altered cards.

[Gradedcardman]

David ended his quest with 5000+ different combo's.

Stop the madness and move on. The mistake was made and I am sure he answered questions on it many more times than I think about it. Shit happens. My honest opinion is just collect SGC, they are never wrong.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

No, what is sad is that the first time his company was paid to give an opinion on a card, they got it wrong, and nobody seems to care.

Doug "but I'm sure all of the opinions noted on his slabs are correct" Goodman

Doug, way to hijack the chain - asshole move.

I am so sick of you dicks turning every thread into a bitchfest.

I would love to have seen David Hall’s whole collection and I hope it is documented in pictures somewhere, because it’s likely the closest anyone will get to a true master set.

Ryan Hotchkiss

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Doug, way to hijack the chain - asshole move.

I am so sick of you dicks turning every thread into a bitchfest.

I would love to have seen David Hall’s whole collection and I hope it is documented in pictures somewhere, because it’s likely the closest anyone will get to a true master set.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Bitchfest this....All his stupid cards are trimmed, IMHO

WHO cares about this assholes trimmed over graded collection PERIOD

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Bitchfest this....All his stupid cards are trimmed, IMHO

WHO cares about this assholes trimmed over graded collection PERIOD

Do you ever contribute anything positive on this site?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Sean

Do you ever contribute anything positive on this site?

yes, to the autograph side. letting people know their Mickey Mantle's are fake, you, wise ass?

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Bitchfest this....All his stupid cards are trimmed, IMHO

WHO cares about this assholes trimmed over graded collection PERIOD

Chuck, why do you think all of his cards are trimmed?

[Johnny630]

It doesn’t matter if the cards are trimmed or not they weren’t bought in PWCC and they’re in Newport Beach Opinion givers slabs so sheeple will buy them regardless.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Chuck, why do you think all of his cards are trimmed?

he started the company with a trimmed card he said was not trimmed...AND "HE SAW IT" according to him. Also, it is widely know his 7's look like 5's and his 8's like 6's. Hence, the preferential treatment we all know exists. When they're not trimmed, colored and bathed in chemicals that is.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Bitchfest this....All his stupid cards are trimmed, IMHO

WHO cares about this assholes trimmed over graded collection PERIOD

??
Weak.



Meanwhile
Incredible T206s holy caruga ! This is reason I came on the forum to see great cards thank you for posting will try to stay positive just sent 30 cards to psa for review for trimmage/ will update

MD

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Doug, way to hijack the chain - asshole move.

I am so sick of you dicks turning every thread into a bitchfest.

I would love to have seen David Hall’s whole collection and I hope it is documented in pictures somewhere, because it’s likely the closest anyone will get to a true master set.

Ryan Hotchkiss

I know that I have sold him some cards over the past several years that I would love to have back! Many are 1 of 1's, he has a fantastic collection.....

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Doug, way to hijack the chain - asshole move.

I am so sick of you dicks turning every thread into a bitchfest.

I would love to have seen David Hall’s whole collection and I hope it is documented in pictures somewhere, because it’s likely the closest anyone will get to a true master set.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Not only was it an a move, but I am a d, and I hope the entire collection burns in a fire.

F him, f his collection, f what the opinion sellers have done to the "hobby" and as long as we're at it f you.

But that's just me.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Who's the bigger a?

Me - for "hijacking" a thread?

David Hall - for building a business on lies

Ryan - for calling me an a because I noted David Hall's first known lie in a post about David Hall?


If the Charles Manson set goes on sale, I may mention Sharon Tate. Apologies in advance.

Doug "just call me a" Goodman

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Who's the bigger asshole?

Me - for "hijacking" a thread?

David Hall - for building a business on lies

Ryan - for calling me an asshole because I noted David Hall's first known lie in a post about David Hall?


If the Charles Manson set goes on sale, I may mention Sharon Tate. Apologies in advance.

Doug "just call me asshole" Goodman

Easily you for all the F bombs, otherwise easily David Hall.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW.

I hope there is a list, in spreadsheet form, of all the front/back combinations. Might be useful for some T206 experts to research which cards may not exist with certain backs, and so on.

[Mark apologizes for bringing the thread back on point.]

[Rhotchkiss]

Doug, thank you for your opinions. You are a class act. Have a nice Sunday.

Ryan

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Doug, thank you for your opinions. You are a class act. Have a nice Sunday.

Ryan

Thank you for the kind words Ryan, wishing a happy Sunday to you and yours, also.

Doug "class act" Goodman



with thanks to the original poster:
Here is an evidently less offensive visual

[Sean]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Thank you for the kind words Ryan, wishing a happy Sunday to you and yours, also.

Doug "class act" Goodman

Well, it appears that you've proven Ryan's point. Well done.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, it appears that you've proven Ryan's point. Well done.

Obviously my sarcasm was lost on you, and probably others.

This thread was meant as a celebration of the collection of somebody who has instrumental in f@#king up our hobby.

Apologies to those who don't appreciate my blunt language.

I refuse to celebrate him, or any of the others involved without pointing out their actions (if we are going to celebrate somebody in the t206 world, let's celebrate Ted Z).


Those of you who choose to put your heads in the sand and ignore that the very first card they gave an opinion on was a lie, and because of that every card that followed deserves to be looked at sideways, are certainly allowed to do that, BUT when you post your celebrations on a public site, then be prepared for a's like me (Ryan's term, I prefer "snarky f@#ker") to chime in.

If you don't want to hear from me and my kind, then take it private.

Doug "I wonder how much of his set is over graded" Goodman



PS -
sorry that shooting craps offends people more than liars who own opinion companies. Here is an evidently less offensive visual.

[chriskim]

[QUOTE=doug.goodman;1903615]Thank you for the kind words Ryan, wishing a happy Sunday to you and yours, also.

Doug "class act" Goodman



I am the original poster of this thread and I got this! LOL Thank you!

[bounce]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I hope there is a list, in spreadsheet form, of all the front/back combinations. Might be useful for some T206 experts to research which cards may not exist with certain backs, and so on.

[Mark apologizes for bringing the thread back on point.]

try t206resource.com

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by bounce

try t206resource.com

To me.... confirmation on a "spreadsheet" doesn't mean seeing front/back scan as a proof.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by chriskim

To me.... confirmation on a "spreadsheet" doesn't mean seeing front/back scan as a proof.

The checklists on T206resource.com are around 99.9% perfect. If you're new to T206 back collecting, that's definitely the place to start. If you have doubts about anything you can always google, cardtarget, vcp, ask a question here, etc.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by chriskim

To me.... confirmation on a "spreadsheet" doesn't mean seeing front/back scan as a proof.

told you.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I hope there is a list, in spreadsheet form, of all the front/back combinations. Might be useful for some T206 experts to research which cards may not exist with certain backs, and so on.

[Mark apologizes for bringing the thread back on point.]

I have a list which was derived from David Hall's master set. Over the years, I've supplied David with a good number of T206 scarce front/back combos [AMERICAN BEAUTY 460,
BROAD LEAF 350, LENOX, PIEDMONT 350 (Elite 11), UZIT, etc.]

This list is approx. a year old, and lists 5244 different T206's. It also includes the red Ty Cobb with the TY COBB back. I'm sure David has acquired a few more T206's since then.

I have cross-checked it with the T206 information I have provided in the..... T206 Reference. This thread is an extensive wealth of information regarding all the confirmed T206
front/back combos. Furthermore, it provides expectations of certain T206's that have yet to be confirmed. And, it identifies the "T206's" which are NO-PRINTS.


TED Z
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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I have a list which was derived from David Hall's master set. Over the years, I've supplied David with a good number of T206 scarce front/back combos [AMERICAN BEAUTY 460,
BROAD LEAF 350, LENOX, PIEDMONT 350 (Elite 11), UZIT, etc.]

This list is approx. a year old, and lists 5244 different T206's. It also includes the red Ty Cobb with the TY COBB back. I'm sure David has acquired a few more T206's since then.

I have cross-checked it with the T206 information I have provided in the..... T206 Reference. This thread is an extensive wealth of information regarding all the confirmed T206
front/back combos. Furthermore, it provides expectations of certain T206's that have yet to be confirmed. And, it identifies the "T206's" which are NO-PRINTS.


TED Z
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Thanks Ted, I just went to your link for a quick peek and spent almost a half hour there before realizing my day was slipping away. Fascinating stuff! I'll be back to read more as time permits.

I love the idea of trying to reconstruct how these cards were made... usually this type of logical exercise involves trying to solve some cold-case crimes, so this is a refreshing alternate research topic.

[tibor1]

I wonder if Lou Lipset and Bill Heitman still have their collections.
Both were known to have rather large and top condition collections
in the early 80's.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tibor1

I wonder if Lou Lipset and Bill Heitman still have their collections.
Both were known to have rather large and top condition collections
in the early 80's.

Both have been members of our forum over the years. I think Lew probably still reads it. If so, "hi Lew." Lew has always been very helpful in hobby information endeavors, not to mention the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards.
I believe both gentlemen sold all or almost all (maybe minus a few pieces) of their collections. I knew Lew's was great but Bill's was a bit before my return to the hobby (as an adult.)

As an ardent back collector, but of mostly other type cards, the T206 backs in the Hall collection, all together, would be cool to see.

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW.

I agree, a virtual display of all of them for viewing would be great to see. It would also be a valuable reference moving forward regarding front/back combos...

[Davidlisa]

Originally Posted by chriskim

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW.

I wonder what cards he is missing, and if they even exist. Any idea of how many one of one cards are included? I'd love to see them !

[chriskim]

My guess is Hall didn't own 5k diff t206s, he claims he has or possibly know where/who he can obtain those ones that he was missing. That's why no one has ever since his "completed" t206 collection nor the complete checklist. I just don't think any serious collectors who were so aggressively paying got-to-have-it prices obtaining cards to complete their sets for yrs then just turned around and started selling them after a few weeks since he has already "achieved his goal". Hall probably frustrated for quite some times not be able to obtain cards that he needed from other collectors who are holding those one-of-one cards and decided to dump the whole collections to AH and flood the market.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by chriskim

My guess is Hall didn't own 5k diff t206s, he claims he has or possibly know where/who he can obtain those ones that he was missing. That's why no one has ever since his "completed" t206 collection nor the complete checklist. I just don't think any serious collectors who were so aggressively paying got-to-have-it prices obtaining cards to complete their sets for yrs then just turned around and started selling them after a few weeks since he has already "achieved his goal". Hall probably frustrated for quite some times not be able to obtain cards that he needed from other collectors who are holding those one-of-one cards and decided to dump the whole collections to AH and flood the market.

There is a David Hall checklist. It's not public but a very small group of T206 collectors have it and a few others have a modified version to show a true "master" checklist.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by chriskim

My guess is Hall didn't own 5k diff t206s, he claims he has or possibly know where/who he can obtain those ones that he was missing. That's why no one has ever since his "completed" t206 collection nor the complete checklist. I just don't think any serious collectors who were so aggressively paying got-to-have-it prices obtaining cards to complete their sets for yrs then just turned around and started selling them after a few weeks since he has already "achieved his goal". Hall probably frustrated for quite some times not be able to obtain cards that he needed from other collectors who are holding those one-of-one cards and decided to dump the whole collections to AH and flood the market.

Well, your "guess" is meaning-less.

David Hall would regularly email his updated wantlist to those of us who provided him with many of the tougher T206 cards. There is absolutely no doubt that he has approx. 5400
different T206 cards. Furthermore, when David would come to my booth at every National these past 10+ years, I got to see his Master set list. And, I am sure the same was true
for other dealers he trusted in.

This thread started, more or less, on a positive note. However, it has now (like many other recent threads on this forum) de-generated into a typical "social media" verbal slugfest.

So tell us.....do you personally know David Hall ?

And, how do you know how he thinks ? ?

Look guy, since 2001, this forum has been a meeting-place for some really meaningful dialogue and great sharing of information regarding many aspects of Sportscard collecting.
Consequently, some really great friendships have developed here on Net54....and the majority of us would like the congeniality we enjoy on this forum to continue.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

I have sold David several T206 cards which are 1 of 1......the most notable one is this Herzog / UZIT.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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