BBCE 1952 Topps Wax Pack "Brick"

[Republicaninmass]

Let's rely on skewed data, not people who collect the set.


Advantage of grading a low grade common


Advantage of grading a high number.

No affect on cards submitted.

High numbers, hardly rare or scarce. Demand outweighs supply.


Im having a great day Dave. Not wasting my life debating and researching something I cant control. I worked with the 52 set for a majority of my collecting career, only about 25 years. Aside from Rosen's find, that produced many of the high grade Highs in the pop report, I dont believe I've seen any collection with only or the same amount of high numbers.


I have a hard time believing even repacks 10 years later would go unnoticed and not be scooped up by at least a few collectors working on the set.

I dont believe for one second, given the stars and amount of Giants, Yankees, and red sox in the high series, were an accident. It was loaded with September world series hopefuls and stars to encourage buying late in the season.


These are just opinions, and certainly worth what you paid for them. Just wanted to add my two cents.

I've also edited for spelling, not because I typed in some roid rage....David

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Let's rely on skewed data, not people who collect the set.


Advantage of grading a low grade common


Advantage of grading a high number.

No affect on cards submitted.

High numbers, hardly rare or scarce. Demand outweighs supply.


Im having a great day Dave. Not wasting my life debating and researching something I cant control. I worked with the 52 set for a majority of my collecting career, only about 25 years. Aside from Rosen's find, that produced many of the high grade Highs in the pop report, I dont believe I've seen any collection with only or the same amount of high numbers.


I have a hard time believing even repacks 10 years later would go unnoticed and not be scooped up by at least a few collectors working on the set.

I dont believe for one second, given the stars and amount of Giants, Yankees, and red sox in the high series, were an accident. It was loaded with September world series hopefuls and stars to encourage buying late in the season.


These are just opinions, and certainly worth what you paid for them. Just wanted to add my two cents.

I've also edited for spelling, not because I typed in some roid rage....David

Hmmm, I haven't said about half the things you think I did and I don't think you have ever understood my original point, which was Topps never dumped the cards at Sea and instead got rid of excess warehouse stock to CCC around 1960, who sold them as singles.

[ALR-bishop]

I have always felt the dump them in the ocean story was a Topps intended urban legend. Why go to that trouble ? But having put the 52 set together in semi master format ( sill need several gray backs) the scarcity of the high numbers seems real to me. But I do think it is played by sellers for all it's worth

By the way I owe thanks to both Dave and Ted thanks for sharing info with me on this set over the years

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have always felt the dump them in the ocean story was a Topps intended urban legend. Why go to that trouble ? But having put the 52 set together in semi master format ( sill need several gray backs) the scarcity of the high numbers seems real to me. But I do think it is played by sellers for all it's worth

By the way I owe thanks to both Dave and Ted thanks for sharing info with me on this set over the years

Al, how many grays do you have?

[JollyElm]

Whether the story is specifically true is up to debate, but the regularity with which stuff was dumped into the ocean way back when was a fact of life. I recently saw a prohibition era newsreel where they were dumping seemingly thousands upon thousands of weapons seized from organized crime right into the Atlantic Ocean. My mouth was agape, but it was SOP back then. And I don't know the actual specifics of the 'legend,' but if Topps jettisoned their surplus into the drink, it doesn't mean they ran their own barge out there. I'm sure they could've brought their junk to some sort of collection point where companies from all over brought their rubbish to be disposed of. Who knows.

[toppcat]

Well I have said my piece, offered my opinion and I am tapping out of this back and forth. The brick abides.

[mortimer brewster]

Sy Berger in an SCD interview stated that the print run was wildly popular with vendors because of the success of earlier series. They were released too late. They did not sell and vendors returned them to Topps.

Berger subsequently tried to sell the cards by unconventional means like giving them away at carnivals etc. Tremendous backlog at their warehouse. There was no demand for the cards.

They were loaded on a barge and dumped in the ocean. This occurred in 1959

Topps didn't keep inventory of unopened product.

No reason for him to make up a story for this. I believe what he says.

https://www.sportscollectorsdigest.c...of_the_modern/

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Hmmm, I haven't said about half the things you think I did and I don't think you have ever understood my original point, which was Topps never dumped the cards at Sea and instead got rid of excess warehouse stock to CCC around 1960, who sold them as singles.

Dont give yourself that importance.

I was addressing the myths regarding the topps highs.

I couldnt care less about your opinion.

There are simply not enough of them to have been sold through 1960. Unless each person is hoarding them like #332

That is unless you want to speculate that people thought the set ended at 310, which many did because highs WERE NOT AVAILABLE. Some have mentioned they thought it ended at 250


Ok, maybe they werent dumped at sea, it doesnt make your skewed data any more factual.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Dont give yourself that importance.

I was addressing the myths regarding the topps highs.

I couldnt care less about your opinion.

There are simply not enough of them to have been sold through 1960. Unless each person is hoarding them like #332

That is unless you want to speculate that people thought the set ended at 310, which many did because highs WERE NOT AVAILABLE. Some have mentioned they thought it ended at 250


Ok, maybe they werent dumped at sea, it doesnt make your skewed data any more factual.

Have a nice night Ted!

[Volod]

Guys, I would hope that this historical photo might resolve the issue once and for all.

[ALR-bishop]

What a waste of good gum

[Volod]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

What a waste of good gum

I understand that for decades, there have been grouper pulled out of the East River with strange jaw malformations.