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Old 10-22-2017, 02:50 PM
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Ron -- sounds good. I too will keep my eye out for twins!

Pat -- theoretically, yes. If I come across a no-print, I would like to add it to the collection. However, I have spent enough $$ on this endeavor, and I know the AB 460 will cost a pretty penny, so my interest in the no-print is somewhat directly connected to the price tag; although, I do have mucho to trade.
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Old 10-22-2017, 06:19 PM
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Ryan, I love that Uzit. It's only a matter of time until you get that AB 460.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:19 AM
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Ted, and/or anyone who knows ...

In regards to the Elite 11, I have read through the threads and the posted thread from 2006-2007, but I was hoping you could help me understand a few things and educate me.

- What factors led to the exclusion of Conroy and Pastorius from the ranks of the Elite 11? Was it a matter of regionality? (Is that a word?)
I may have answered my own question on this. Both of these two cards also have SC350 confirmed backs, which I assume is the reason for their exclusion.

- If they are not part of the Elite 11, what is the thoughts/theories on why they are scarce in the typically common P350 set? Pastorius was released in Aug 1909, which could explain his short run as part of the 350 series, but Conroy remained with Wash. through 1911, and his variation (With Bat) wasn't produced until PG3, which was late 1910.

- What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw?

- With the EPDG backs being found at a much higher rate than the P350's, is it possible that EPDG back run started later in the 150 series, prior to the the 350 series starting up? It would make sense that these players would be more common with an EPDG back if that were the case.



I'm sorry if this has been addressed, I've attempted to absorb a large amount of T206 information over the past few weeks!
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Old 10-23-2017, 11:15 AM
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Ted, and/or anyone who knows ...

In regards to the Elite 11, I have read through the threads and the posted thread from 2006-2007, but I was hoping you could help me understand a few things and educate me.

- What factors led to the exclusion of Conroy and Pastorius from the ranks of the Elite 11? Was it a matter of regionality? (Is that a word?)
- If they are not part of the Elite 11, what is the thoughts/theories on why they are scarce in the typically common P350 set?
- What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw?

I'm sorry if this has been addressed, I've attempted to absorb a large amount of T206 information over the past few weeks!
#1....The only 350 series backs that the Elite 11 were printed with are PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG.

Conroy and Pastorius were printed with PIEDMONT 350, EPDG, and, SWEET CAP #25 & #30.


#2.... " What factors led to the inclusion of Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw ? "

In recent years, Scot Reader's vast T206 survey indicated that Schaefer, Spencer, and Shaw are also part of the Elite 11 group.


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Thanks Ted. I came across the Elite 12 thread from last year after posting my original questions and updated my post. You're knowledge, and willingness to share, is greatly appreciated!
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That's an incredible back run Ryan! Nice work. An AB460 will turn up someday. That Tinker Uzit and Ted's McGraw Uzit being on the same page is almost too much eye candy!

Good questions Jason. Ted pretty much answered already, but I'd add that Pastorius and Conroy fielding were both also printed with Old Mill backs. I hadn't noticed that those two were tough with Piedmont 350 backs. If they are, that adds an interesting wrinkle to the puzzle.

I think you're on the right track with the idea that EPDG backs were printed at the end of the 150 portion of the 150-350 Series. But, there's no consensus as of yet. There are some recent threads where we've been debating it on here. Pat R has done some great research on the topic recently.
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Good questions Jason. Ted pretty much answered already, but I'd add that Pastorius and Conroy fielding were both also printed with Old Mill backs. I hadn't noticed that those two were tough with Piedmont 350 backs. If they are, that adds an interesting wrinkle to the puzzle.
Thanks Luke. I'm trying to pose intelligent questions, most of which I'm sure have been answered or at leased inquired about at some time or another, but I'm still in the very early phases of learning.

In regards to the Pastorius and Conroy, I focused on them because of their initial inclusion in the Elite 11, back in 2006. Though they have since been excluded for reasons already covered, they are much harder to find in Piedmont 350 than 150 series. Based on the limited number graded by PSA which denote the factory, 39 150's have been graded, but only two 350's. 19.5:1 ratio is pretty high. Again, small sample size, but telling. With Conroy, it's a ratio of almost 8:1, with 37 150's and only four 350's.

Pastorius can be explained away by his August release, but the reason the Conroy may be harder to find seems less obvious.
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Interestingly, Neither Pastorius nor Conroy have a confimed graded example, at least not from PSA, SGC, or BVG, of an EPDG card for either of these players. t206 resource does list the Pastorius/EPDG as confirmed and the Conroy as possible, but I find this to be noteworthy.

SGC does have a single EPDG Conroy, which is not specified as Fielding or With Bat, and could possibly be the Fielding version, but I find that doubtful. They do both have PSA graded examples of both Old Mill and Sovereign 150 however.

Lots of interesting wrinkles, as this actually contradicts the thought that EPDG was printed earlier than Piedmont 350.

Maybe someone here has EPDG cards of these two they can share?
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Hey Ryan

Fantastic display of your Tinker run. Thanks for sharing it with us.

I've been searching for his AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 card for many years to complete my AB 460 run (74 cards).
So when the next one shows up there be at least 4 of us contending for it. It should be very interesting.

I enjoyed talking with you at the Philly Show last month.


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Interestingly, Neither Pastorius nor Conroy have a confimed graded example, at least not from PSA, SGC, or BVG, of an EPDG card for either of these players. t206 resource does list the Pastorius/EPDG as confirmed and the Conroy as possible, but I find this to be noteworthy.

SGC does have a single EPDG Conroy, which is not specified as Fielding or With Bat, and could possibly be the Fielding version, but I find that doubtful. They do both have PSA graded examples of both Old Mill and Sovereign 150 however.

Lots of interesting wrinkles, as this actually contradicts the thought that EPDG was printed earlier than Piedmont 350.

Maybe someone here has EPDG cards of these two they can share?
I don't think those two being left off the EPDG print run contradicts anything. Plenty of poses were not printed with EPDG and then later printed with all the other 350 series backs. If they were left off EPDG print runs and then pulled early from P350 production, I think that would just be a coincidence.
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