Congrats eagles and heir fans!

[packs]

All plays don't count when the game is winding down and you need to prevent the Patriots from scoring. Only those plays count if you're going to win the game.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

All plays don't count when the game is winding down and you need to prevent the Patriots from scoring. Only those plays count if you're going to win the game.

all plays count. If eagles dont convert one of those 4th downs, the Eagles defense would of needed to be 'retooled'

Plus if eagles dont give up 30 plus points then they wouldnt of needed a late 'stop'. Still if patriots had more than 3 minutes in the 4th q left and werent forced to pass every down, given that they never punted, they would of scored again.

So the only reason the Eagles got a late 'stop' was cause of the Eagle offense putting them in that great position...eagles defense gets no more credit than the patriots defense..

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

all plays count. If eagles dont convert one of those 4th downs, the Eagles defense would of needed to be 'retooled'

Plus if eagles dont give up 30 plus points then they wouldnt of needed a late 'stop'. Still if patriots had more than 3 minutes in the 4th q left and werent forced to pass every down, given that they never punted, they would of scored again.

So the only reason the Eagles got a late 'stop' was cause of the Eagle offense putting them in that great position...eagles defense gets no more credit than the patriots defense..

That's just not true. Nothing that happened before that fumble influenced that fumble. The fumble happened when it did independent of anything else in the game.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

That's just not true. Nothing that happened before that fumble influenced that fumble. The fumble happened when it did independent of anything else in the game.

wrong again. What happened before did influence the fumble.

Its not a stretch to say what happened before impacts the next possession. If the eagles are only up by 3 or less, theres no sack fumble as the Patriots would of had a ton more time to use as they would of needed only a fg. The eagles offense caused the patriots to need more than a fg.

Teams with the ball needing a td going the full length of the field with under 2 minutes have a greater chance to turn the ball over than teams that don't. Thus what happened before, caused that situation that was more ripe for a sack fumble or int etc.

[paandy]

Have been waiting for this Super Bowl win for 30 years!


Go Birds!!!!

[3-2-count]

What's clear to me after reading this thread is that you all are in the wrong profession and should be NFL football coaches.

The Colts job just became available. Quick, someone grab it!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

What's clear to me after reading this thread is that you all are in the wrong profession and should be NFL football coaches.

The Colts job just became available. Quick, someone grab it!

haha whats funny is in college my hall mates include an NFL coach and the GM of an NFL team which i correspond with my thoughts which i assume they laugh off

[bauce]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

What's clear to me after reading this thread is that you all are in the wrong profession and should be NFL football coaches.

The Colts job just became available. Quick, someone grab it!

I want Marv Lewis' job - Bengals HC. Looks like job security for life!

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

wrong again. What happened before did influence the fumble.

Its not a stretch to say what happened before impacts the next possession. If the eagles are only up by 3 or less, theres no sack fumble as the Patriots would of had a ton more time to use as they would of needed only a fg. The eagles offense caused the patriots to need more than a fg.

Teams with the ball needing a td going the full length of the field with under 2 minutes have a greater chance to turn the ball over than teams that don't. Thus what happened before, caused that situation that was more ripe for a sack fumble or int etc.

Sorry but I could not disagree more. The defense forcing that fumble was a big play and it occurred at a crucial moment. Nothing mattered unless they forced the turnover and you're looking at things after the fact in a way that suggests this was a pre-determined outcome or something. In the moment they had to deliver and they did. They didn't force the turnover by virtue of prior events, like it was some foregone conclusion.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Sorry but I could not disagree more. The defense forcing that fumble was a big play and it occurred at a crucial moment. Nothing mattered unless they forced the turnover and you're looking at things after the fact in a way that suggests this was a pre-determined outcome or something. In the moment they had to deliver and they did. They didn't force the turnover by virtue of prior events, like it was some foregone conclusion.

with your logic, the last stop of the game was due to the eagles defense , not because the patriots only have 40 seconds or whatever to go the length of the field and complete a hail mary.

yeah its a stop, just like the sack fumble, but they were because of the eagles offense and its related... put nick foles on the field with 1:40 left in the game to go the length of the field and most defenses have an increased chance to stop him.

Any replacement defense could cause 0 punts and get only a one sack with a fumble with under 2 minutes left in obvious pass situation. The patriots did force a turnover in a harder situation (clock not an ally for them etc)

eagles defense did as close to nothing as they could to win this game is all i am saying. Giving up 500 yards passing etc. My whole argument is the Patriots and Eagles defense get the same grade for the game... FAIL

not sure why you keep defending them..

[packs]

I'm not defending the Eagles defensive performance as a whole. I'm trying to get you to understand that in a high pressure situation, the only thing that matters is that you performed in that moment. Finishing is what's important and the Eagles D showed up in that moment, which won them the game. You keep talking about everything else that happened up to the moment the game was won as though it mattered more.