This is the problem with grading...

[Peter_Spaeth]

So since you retracted your original accusation, what's your new theory?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So since you retracted your original accusation, what's your new theory?

Pank21 (Joseph Pankiewicz) was a former grader at SGC. That much I know. He probably knows other graders that work for PSA and he's able to get bumps as backroom favors. I also know he shill his own auctions. Probstein may or may not be aware of what's going on.

Given what we know to be true, what's your theory?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Pank21 (Joseph Pankiewicz) was a former grader at SGC. That much I know. He probably knows other graders that work for PSA and he's able to get bumps as backroom favors. I also know he shill his own auctions. Probstein may or may not be aware of what's going on.

Given what we know to be true, what's your theory?

It is irresponsible to suggest on the basis of three cards, only one of which is worth any serious money, that PSA is handing out bumps as backroom favors. He probably buys lots of cards he thinks are undergraded, as do lots of people. It's a common practice. So one one of them, PSA overgraded it, the other two grades don't look that far off to me. How do you know he didn't crack them out and resubmit, which is what lots of guys are out there doing? I am not buying your conspiracy theories on the basis of three cards. Way too speculative for me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It is irresponsible to suggest on the basis of three cards, only one of which is worth any serious money, that PSA is handing out bumps as backroom favors. He probably buys lots of cards he thinks are undergraded, as do lots of people. It's a common practice. So one one of them, PSA overgraded it, the other two grades don't look that far off to me. How do you know he didn't crack them out and resubmit, which is what lots of guys are out there doing? I am not buying your conspiracy theories on the basis of three cards. Way too speculative for me.

I guess you think the PSA 8 Wagner was on the up and up too?

What about him shilling his own auction? Oh, wait a minute. It's probably another bidder with a similiar username that happens to have the same feedback.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Peter, you're obviously way smarter than me, so how do you explain this:

Pank21 wins this card from Probstein for $48.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140758703188

But Probstein relists the same card with a BIN of $99.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110915770722

You think 'ol Panky just changed his mind and didn't want it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well that is a completely different issue, David. If there were multiple examples of that, you might be onto something. i also could think of an innocent explanation but you probably don't want to hear it. That explanation would be that he won the card real cheap and thinks Rick can double his money for him on a BIN.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That explanation would be that he won the card real cheap and thinks Rick can double his money for him on a BIN.

You're right, I do that all the time. I win an eBay auction and then tell the seller, 'You just keep that and re-list it for me with a BIN of double the price of what I won it for."

[calvindog]

That Ken Goldin is a real son of a bitch. I'm sure this is his fault.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

That Ken Goldin is a real son of a bitch. I'm sure this is his fault.

It was Mastro and Allen!!!

[calvindog]

Stop bullying me!

[55koufax]

I've seen Joe up close and personal. He definitely will crack out, press corners, edges, etc., and re-submit to PSA on anything he thinks has a chance. What I learned is that SGC graders (at least back in the day) would always press corners, edges as necessary B4 grading a subbed card, whereby, PSA does absolutely nothing of the kind. That said, it makes perfect sense for P21, or anyone to practice the "art" of cracking out and re-subbing to PSA. I am guessing a multitude of collectors on this very thread do it. I admit I do...