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Old 07-17-2017, 11:24 AM
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Zach - There are MANY cards out there with the names erased. I think at one point I probably had over 30-40 of them. One collection I bought - the guy erased every single name - probably with the intent of getting the real autograph.

If you look long enough - you will find many more of these. (Unless I tossed mine in a bin somewhere and forgot them - I'm pretty sure I sold them and put them back in the market place).

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Old 08-07-2017, 08:29 AM
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I noticed a couple NNOF cards in this current LOTG auction.

Although most still retain the factory sig, the odd card has been erased and the player has signed in that area.

The more I see these signed 52's, the more I am interested in them.
http://loveofthegameauctions.com/catalog.aspx
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:12 AM
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I noticed a couple NNOF cards in this current LOTG auction.

Although most still retain the factory sig, the odd card has been erased and the player has signed in that area.

The more I see these signed 52's, the more I am interested in them.
http://loveofthegameauctions.com/catalog.aspx
Irv,

Yes, they are interesting. They all come from the Texas Find from the estate of a deceased collector that had managed to obtain 600+ autographs, including some very hard to find ones.

I believe all were graded as well....
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:28 AM
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I know who found that find
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:57 PM
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You da man Al . Tell us the unwritten story. I think it is interesting.

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Old 08-07-2017, 02:26 PM
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Irv,

Yes, they are interesting. They all come from the Texas Find from the estate of a deceased collector that had managed to obtain 600+ autographs, including some very hard to find ones.

I believe all were graded as well....
Wow, that's pretty incredible when you think of it!

Thanks for sharing the info, Zach,,, and Al.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:57 PM
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The gentleman involved died unexpectedly in 2007. He was not a transplant but a lifelong San Antonio resident. San Antonio is basketball and football town. I have not come across many ( any) hard core baseball card collectors here and our paths never crossed despite the fact I had been in SA since 1995

His wife left his card room alone for years and one day at a Bible class heard my wife talking about us going on a trip to Arizona to see some spring games and meet with some fellow card collectors. She asked my wife if I would review what she had and see if I knew how she could dispose of it. I thought it would be a bunch of modern stuff, and there was every major league and minor league set you can think of through 2007, but he also had full Topps and Bowman runs and some older football and basketball sets.

In addition to a full 52 set, he also had a good portion of a second set that was autographed, included an autographed Campos black star. He had a lot of autographed balls and photos too and numerous old hobby publications

Most was organized into sets but much of it was packed in drawers and suitcases awaiting his retirement The volume of material was staggering. Each wall of his study were lined with shelves full of binders, and there was a also a closet stuffed with stuff. It was a lot of fun going through it all.

I put her in touch with Al C from Love Of The Game and after meeting with him here she chose to sell if off through his auctions. I doubt I will ever come across anything like it in San Antonio again, and it was a good tutorial for my wife in what to do with my stuff.
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:52 AM
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It had to have been erased. Because the black ink was it's own printers plate, and if it were an error, I'd expect to see some of the black border missing too. The fact that JUST the signature is absent, but every other element from that printing layer is intact tells me it was removed.

Now for comparison, consider the House Yellow Tiger variation, which is a product of the ink not being applied evenly to one of the print plates. You can see this effect in that part of House's neck is green. It indicates that the dye layer was not applied evenly.

Basically, the absence of the signature is too perfect. It was erased after the fact.
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Old 08-10-2017, 03:39 PM
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The gentleman involved died unexpectedly in 2007. He was not a transplant but a lifelong San Antonio resident. San Antonio is basketball and football town. I have not come across many ( any) hard core baseball card collectors here and our paths never crossed despite the fact I had been in SA since 1995

His wife left his card room alone for years and one day at a Bible class heard my wife talking about us going on a trip to Arizona to see some spring games and meet with some fellow card collectors. She asked my wife if I would review what she had and see if I knew how she could dispose of it. I thought it would be a bunch of modern stuff, and there was every major league and minor league set you can think of through 2007, but he also had full Topps and Bowman runs and some older football and basketball sets.

In addition to a full 52 set, he also had a good portion of a second set that was autographed, included an autographed Campos black star. He had a lot of autographed balls and photos too and numerous old hobby publications

Most was organized into sets but much of it was packed in drawers and suitcases awaiting his retirement The volume of material was staggering. Each wall of his study were lined with shelves full of binders, and there was a also a closet stuffed with stuff. It was a lot of fun going through it all.

I put her in touch with Al C from Love Of The Game and after meeting with him here she chose to sell if off through his auctions. I doubt I will ever come across anything like it in San Antonio again, and it was a good tutorial for my wife in what to do with my stuff.
Great story, Al. Curious, did you offer or purchase anything from her? It would have been hard not too seeing that size of a collection.

Any idea how she made out at LOTG? Hopefully good!
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:49 PM
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The gentleman involved died unexpectedly in 2007. He was not a transplant but a lifelong San Antonio resident. San Antonio is basketball and football town. I have not come across many ( any) hard core baseball card collectors here and our paths never crossed despite the fact I had been in SA since 1995

His wife left his card room alone for years and one day at a Bible class heard my wife talking about us going on a trip to Arizona to see some spring games and meet with some fellow card collectors. She asked my wife if I would review what she had and see if I knew how she could dispose of it. I thought it would be a bunch of modern stuff, and there was every major league and minor league set you can think of through 2007, but he also had full Topps and Bowman runs and some older football and basketball sets.

In addition to a full 52 set, he also had a good portion of a second set that was autographed, included an autographed Campos black star. He had a lot of autographed balls and photos too and numerous old hobby publications

Most was organized into sets but much of it was packed in drawers and suitcases awaiting his retirement The volume of material was staggering. Each wall of his study were lined with shelves full of binders, and there was a also a closet stuffed with stuff. It was a lot of fun going through it all.

I put her in touch with Al C from Love Of The Game and after meeting with him here she chose to sell if off through his auctions. I doubt I will ever come across anything like it in San Antonio again, and it was a good tutorial for my wife in what to do with my stuff.
Interesting story, thanks Al. I know some of the people that gave Al C advice on how to dispose of the '52 autographs. He had some rare autographs in the 600+ auto's - meaning he had to have started collecting autographs early on prior to the passing of many of the players in the set. In particular he had 2 auto's of what many consider to be the hardest autograph to obtain - Bill Meyers #387 - who resigned after the '52 season & passed shortly thereafter.

Here is a write up on those 2 cards from LOTG

http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Sig...-LOT13198.aspx

Z

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